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Why is The United States Still in Iraq?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by tesla, Oct 23, 2006.

  1. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #41
    if you read my post it says that bush has denied saddam 9/11 connection, but some reason one my relatives, who ususally believes everything bush says, doesn't believe it

    he reminds me a lot of you guys, but he's pretty racist, in fact most conservatives I meet in real life are pretty racist. Not usually till they get a few drinks in them, then its towel head this, blacks are whats wrong with america etc. Its surpising how non-racist all the conservatives online are, at least supposedly
     
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  2. Hon Daddy Dad

    Hon Daddy Dad Peon

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    #42
    Sweating Bullet's... Dave Mustaine he's funny as hell.

    Rust in Peace and Countdown to Extinction were the best of them.
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #43
    Many don't. But again, no one ever said it. That's a fact. Well, no one in the Bush admin anyway. The media and left? That's another story.
    Now you are just being silly.

    Yeah, he rules! Hellava nice guy in person!
     
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  4. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #44
    Is your point that liberals are just more overtly racist?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/22/AR2006062201474_pf.html

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20051101-104932-4054r.htm

    http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/24/video-harold-ford-sr-calls-pro-life-activists-crackers/ (video)

    Is that your point, Ferret?
     
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  5. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Wait till you see the rodeo scene in the borat movie :D :D :D
     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #46
    That's why the discussion and focus of the discussion was on mustard gas.

    Perhaps you missed all the mustard gas discussion?
     
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  7. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #47
    No one's better at finding alleged American failures than you. Just another fine example of "but, but, but we're just asking questions of the administration"

    Gotta love it! I don't have to seek out posts to make my point to others, they just show up when I need them most :D
     
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  8. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #48
    Oh, so when Saddam used mustard gas against the Iranian, we were in full support of saddam using WMD? That's news to me!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_gas

    See anywhere on there where they call mustard gas WMD? Or is just something you like to pretend about? :D
     
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  9. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #49
    Are you trying to be stupid? WMD refers to chemical, biological and radiological weapons. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #50

    I don't think he is...:eek:
     
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  11. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #51
    So then you believe a little vile of acid to be WMD? :rolleyes:
     
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  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #52
    OK, so we're backing away from that "traces" comment then? Fair enough.

    I highly doubt this. I think it's just another assertion, one that would be hard to prove or disprove, and if it gets proven wrong, we just move on to something else. That seems to be the pattern, at least, that I'm observing. There were not conditions for WMD. No one, to the best of my knowledge, has said "only certain wmd count, but others do not."

    That's why I drew upon the seven facilities we have in the country to dispose of mustard gas specifically, that is much older than these shells. It's also why I noted what a UN weapons specialist said about 12 year old mustard gas. I could be wrong, but it did seem fairly obvious to me that these are not materials I'd want to store in my backyard. If a Colonel says the materials can be repackaged to make cause a great effect, I'd not be the one to volunteer to stand on the battle field and tell him he was wrong, and dare him to fire some off at me. But, that's just me :D

    That's the reason I posted a reference. To help you know the facts from someone more qualified than either of us.

    Speculation. I don't make the claim that it's just one saying such, I simply used the reference to counter your claim that no one in the military thought they were dangerous. I thought it was pretty effective!

    Why would they? The case is already made. Why continue to harp on it day in and day out?

    Making sure false claims are countered with appropriate references is what we should all strive for. Facts should matter, whether we like the person, country or entity in question, or not. Credibility and honesty may not always matter, but I still like to think they are positive characteristics.

    No one, that I'm aware of, has made the claim that these were some magic wmds that were supposedly identified in 2001-2003. To suggest that someone has made such a claim is disingenuous. It's like if you were on a treasure hunt for a thousand pieces of gold. You never really find that specific treasure, but while looking, you find a gold box with a hundred pieces of gold. You may not have found the original treasure you were looking for, especially since the UN noted it had been moved to Syria, but you still found treasure. That's been my argument all along. WMD were found. In it's most basic form, no matter what conditions are set for by those who were disappointed in the find, the bottom line is, WMD have been found.
     
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  13. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #53
    No, I believe that you are trying to pervert a definition to fit your little ends. You very well know that chemical weapons that are WMD, but fake ignorance, in a transparent (and futile) attempt to look intelligent.
     
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  14. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #54
    Ahh... this guy explains things very well, maybe you guys will actually "get it" for a change... but somehow I doubt it, denial is a hard thing to overcome ;)

    More here: http://brivt.mydd.com/story/2005/11/7/92348/0069
     
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  15. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #55
    News to me too. If my math is correct, you were breast feeding about that time. Not sure what part of "we" you participated in.


    See my post here, scroll down to defense link, note first paragraph of quote.

    Next, think for a moment (I know it's painful). Try to find another means of blaming America first, then come back and acknowledge that you would not store the mustard gas in the trunk of your Ford Escort. Let me know what you come up with, k? :D
     
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  16. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #56
    Taking someone else's opinion as your own again, yo? How sadly typical.

    Secondly, at least read this complete sentence:
    the part you highlighted made the sentence sound as though it meant something entirely different. Cute, but pretty stupid of you.
     
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  17. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #57
    You mean the paragraph that never mentions mustard gas is WMD? That one? :D

    First of all, what makes some army boy a WMD expert? And second of all, he never says the mustard gas is WMD, he is most likely talking about the 12 year old degraded sarin gas which is classified as WMD before it's shelf life expires. Ouch! :D
     
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  18. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    Said from someone who quotes an activist, a political strategist, and 2 other random guys on all things WMD. ;)
    http://brivt.mydd.com/about
     
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  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #59
    I like the NYT adverts on the site... That was my first clue.
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Classic :D

    Yo was furious (as were a few others here) that more WMD were found. I thought he was going to go off the deep end; I mean the *real* deep end...way past molten steel deep end, when the news broke!
     
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