Hounds ? Where are they ? It's clear that there are more Pork lovers than abatainers on this thread. That's expected. Anyway, I did enjoy the pictures and recepies. Thanks for the time guys. This thread had a long life. Let's keep is civil. The northpointaiki who eats right and avoids Pork (all forms) will be a wiser northpointaiki. Your not mad at me, your mad at the evidence that there is a better northpointaiki inside you. I don't deny that there is a better marcel. Maybe like GRIMS cat, I need to find it. Oh, and if you have scientific evidence that Pork is a healthy, clean alternative please do tell us.
I'm not mad at all, Marcel. I am entertained, to some extent, and I am also expectant of this "tidal wave of scientific evidence" that will "bury" my point of view. Or even a single instance of evidence. Again, I find: -to be disingenous, since you haven't provided any evidence. You asked for differential evidence of pork, meat, and processed meat. I mentioned the study above, which I early provided. Preliminary findings from an earlier conference lead Dr. Elio Riboli to say: -The further study by Dr. Riboli concludes: http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/97/12/906 Marcel, I seem to recall you were going to "bury" me with scientific evidence that pork is, in your scientific usage, "nastier" than other meats. Should I get my shovel now, or wait until you actually post something scientific? Anyway, off to make lunch. I'm making....
@GRIM I know why your CNN cat is still alive. As the article says. Sounds like what extends Sardinians longivity - "good genes and a loving family"
@north We are talking about all forms of pork. You already know that. The topic is "Why is Pork considered 'unclean' ...?". And the oxford report does confirm that there is a possible 10 - 15 per cent risk increase. So you are burying yourself. My 10% might represent a 50% risk increase for you because of your genetics and past eating habits. Maybe you eat cute grass fed pork... But that's not the case for most DPers. And remember we are talking about all forms of Pork, not just your cute grass fed pigs.
Show me the books supporting Pork as a healthy alternative food... Try amazon Exposing the New Dangers of Pork (Earth's Organic Garbage Disposal) (Paperback)
Again, you are not being truthful. Why do you do this, when you have been outed every time you have done this? To be truthful, the study said: But personally, yes, right - Heavy (as opposed to moderate) consumption of meat (as opposed to pork alone, as evil personified) is bad, as I have said now, a million times, for a helluva lot more reasons than colorectal cancer. From the same study, what part of: Do you find difficult to understand? I am sorry I imputed willful, if facile subterfuge to your agenda. It appears to me yours is of a far more innocent nature, the inability to understand what you read. Kind of a far cry from "burying" the opposing point of view, isn't it?
You missed the point. #1 of course they are going to point to genetics. #2 you can't refute the fact it has eaten bacon daily #3 even if it was 'good genes' wouldn't the horrible bad unclean pork outweigh those good genes?... The fact of the matter is a cat, one of the longest living ever, eats bacon daily for breakfast
How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces. Do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? Afraid Grandpa kicked the bucket, some say he got to 34, others say 35. Hope your dog, Taker, lives as long. Dogs can go veggie, can't they?
porks i india eat lots of dirty stuff, even sometimes they eat poop of others thts y no one goes near them, and they take bath in sewer water also, so i dont like it
I do relish on pork. But when the members of a certain relegion stay away from pork and are not trying to stop others from eating pork, we have to respect their feelings. Let me put forward another case. What's wrong with being a non-vegetarian? Nothing. But there are lakhs of people who stay away from meat and fish. As long as they have no issues whatsoever with others eating meat, we need to respect their preferences. Thanks.
remember, too, that there was no refrigeration in the Promised Land. Pork is notorious for going 'off' quickly in hot weather. Jehovah was thinking of mankind's bellies and health. simple. Same as shellfish.
Tell that to the aminals. I'm a veggie, but I respect Northpointaiki's attitude towards meat eating (and rearing) rather than the McDonald's way of (over?) processing. If you are going to eat an animal, it's good to know that it had a good life, and it was a being, not just food.
We have animals for food and we have pets. It is quite a big difference. I don't mind people that are vegeterian and enjoy their presence and like to talk to them about all this but I would never hire them for work since they are slow and get tired very quickly...
Let's clarify the meaning of "unclean" meat in the context of this thread. Unclean refers to attributes in terms of ritual, not the properties of the meat itself. Chicken for example is acceptable for Jewish dietary consumption, and for Orthodox Jews, it must be killed and prepared in the prescribed kosher manner. Regardless, chickens are dirty critters and can be hazardous to your health. Undercooked chicken meat is salmonella heaven and is just as dangerous as undercooked pork. So if you consume chicken, a good start is to get it from either a Kosher or Chinese butcher. What these vendors have in common is that they drain the blood from the bird which for food safety is a step in the right direction.
If we are talking religious unclean then consider fish with no scales (eel, catfish), crab, squid and lobsters are all unclean according to islam. Does that make these animals dirty or filthy?
Pigs in the US are cleaner than any other livestock IMO... I saw some show on Swine on Discovery last week on this subject and it talked about just how clean pigs really are in the US anyway... They are fed well, not scraps or dead, but grain and minerals. The pens are designed to get the poop and pee flowing downward and out. I wish I could remember the name of that show.. Anyway, the way swine is raised in the US is the major reason why Pork is so healthy here, and nearly devoid of disease like the deadly trichina. You can eat even eat pork raw without much concern.. Good for those of us that like raw bacon every now and then..
This is true, and what I tried (and failed) to convey to our friend Marcel. Good post, Jeremy. People have a misunderstanding of pork based on yesteryear's practices.