why is it so hard to get a new site anywhere on google?

Discussion in 'SEO' started by Pixelrage, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. #1
    I've never seen this in my life. I have a new, fully SEO'ed site with 20 pages up on Google for 2 weeks...I put a sitemap (via Google Webmaster) and Analytics on it, added it to the top 10 or so social bookmarking sites, and got one PR3 backlink from an industry-related site. It gets 1 hit per day...how can it possibly be so unnoticed on Google?? It's as if the site doesn't even exist?
     
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  2. enous

    enous Well-Known Member

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    #2
    I think the content on your site is very important,My site only submited 4 days ago, and now has 13 pages up on Google,and many keywords on top 50,and one keywords at #9,(maybe the keywords isnot very competitive keywords.about 340k to 2000k results.)
     
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    live-cms_com Notable Member

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    #3
    Maybe you're targeting bad keywords. Are your pages indexed?
     
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    metros Notable Member

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    #4
    keyword not affect any more.
    markn26 - wait few more days, i feel some weird inactive from google, i have a website on position 7 and 3 and it should be on position 2 on both all ready.
    I bet in few days you can be gladder..
     
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  5. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #5
    You need more inbound links, especially to your inner pages. Alot of the Social Bookmarking sites either use Nofollow or your your URL will get buried and it really only provides an initial boost when you are on the front pages of the site then the link power wears off a bit.

    It's not hard to rank on Google, actually quite the opposite.
     
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  6. XingClassified.com

    XingClassified.com Peon

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    #6
    What you should do is go to google, use a 3 word phrase and search. See #1 link, then click on the cache and you will see why this site is on # 1, How they optimise their keywords is being highlighted by google in the cache page and each word will not go pass 3 times. Compare with your site. As for reading of that #1 page meta, you should know how.
     
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    live-cms_com Notable Member

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    #7
    Great tip.
     
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    phinelinda Well-Known Member

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    #8
    First of all, is even ONE page of your site indexed? Or is it completely off the index?

    If it is completely off, did you purchase a domain that was previously banned by google?

    (Think about it)
     
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  9. Pixelrage

    Pixelrage Peon

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    #9
    yup, the site is indexed. I put a great deal of work into using longtail keywords for this site. I'll wait it out a little more, I guess. The strangest part to me is that the URL of the site is a 3-word keyword itself. I don't even rank at all for that 3-word keyword. Even if you search for my site's name in quotes, it's at the bottom of the SERP, under the social bookmarking sites.

    It's a brand new URL, at least I think it is, it's not listed on archive.org.
     
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  10. XingClassified.com

    XingClassified.com Peon

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    Okay i see your point, using long tailed keywords does not guarantee that you will score. For your 3-word keyword, how many competitions do you have? If it is less than 10 million then you have a chance to hit the jackpot.

    Point to consider:
    1 : Is the word included in your meta?
    2 : How many times does it appear in your page content?
    3 : Is your page clustered with keywords?
    Words similar whether singular or plural, verb or noun.
    4 : Are your pages inter-link?
    5 : IMPORTANT - are your content duplicate?

    Real Example:
    I am running a classified site called xingclassified. The word "classified" has more than 165 millions pages thus i eliminated it. I go for more like " paid classified ads", "paid classified", "buy sell resource". These term are related to classified search and within 2 weeks, i push them from outside 100 to page 1.
    I am happy that these words made it to page 1 for search and it does not even bother me if they are not at #1. Well the first word that got into page 1 was "buy sell resource" and at #1 term since then out of 33.8 million.

    Even for my domain name, it took 2 months to get #1 when search for "xing classified". Thus you should not be disheartened. It just take time.
     
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  11. ForgottenCreature

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    #11
    You need more backlinks.
     
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  12. centime

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    #12
    Domain age does appear to be a factor in ranking pages on google.

    By all means pursue a good link development strategy, this helps, but, if your desired keyword search is competitive, it will take a while before it starts to show up in Google searches

    Plus, do remember that you've got competition
     
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  13. Pixelrage

    Pixelrage Peon

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    #13
    Here are the answers:

    1- Yes, I put a lot of thought into my META and kept the description at a proper length. Strangely enough, the META desc. doesn't show up at all in a SERP, just a bunch of random text. Either it's still not fully cached, or something strange is going on.
    2- Density is about 3.5%
    3- Yes, but the density for other keywords is under 2%. If I dared to repeat them any more, the text itself would look extremely tacky and unprofessional.
    4- Yes, all of them are - I used H1 titles for each page, and put a breadcrumb line of important links (home | category 1 | category 2) at the top of each page. Also, the sidebar of links is consistent on the entire site.
    5- nope!! I'd never do that. Everything was personally written, nothing was used twice.

    Centime: I thought about that too...but what about that short-term boost Google gives brand new sites? I did not experience that at all..
     
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  14. centime

    centime Peon

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    #14
    Its a myth, like a lot of what you read online, especially with SEO

    Why would an SE boost new sites ?

    Everyday there are hundreds of new sites, boost em all an pretty soon, the top of the SERPS would be new sites everyday
     
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  15. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #15
    Quite true, although it does happen somewhat do to the QDF (Query Deserves Freshness) part of the algo.

    The boost happens alot more for new pages on established and authority sites, there's a few of my sites if i make a page on a low-medium term it's hit page one in 30 minutes on occasions.
     
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    #16
    Never forget Google has a complex algorithm.
    You may do a lot of faults and still end-up in a good position - but also the contrast may be true.

    True is, if you have decent content + backlinks + keywords well defined there is a reasonable chance, but no guarantee
     
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    yeah it takes too long these days to get indexed by google. it took a month to google to index my site
     
    crasher, Nov 19, 2007 IP
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    ya mine still isn't up either
     
    kenty19, Nov 21, 2007 IP
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    There is a FREE announcement service still in development called BotSnack, that is designed to get new pages listed in google within 24hrs. Apparently, could be quicker once the idea becomes popular.

    Here is the URL: http://www.botsnack.com
     
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  20. cultfigure

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    Quality and updated Content --> always the answer, no? oh well it helps a lot :)
     
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