Why Hamas Was Originally Elected (And It Wasn't To Destory Israel)

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by aletheides, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. earthfaze

    earthfaze Peon

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    #61
    I'm inclined to believe the US pays Egypt for help with the blockade but I still want some sort of proof if you have it.
     
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  2. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #62
    1.4 billion a year.

    I'd imagine the majority of this lands in politicians pockets, which is one of the reason they hold a blockade as tight as Israel does.

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LR413144.htm
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #63
    This is not quite true. The part in green, is very true. We've both been around here long enough to know that's true. I remember your posts from the hezbollah war.

    The part in red is not true. Your own posts illustrate this. One-sided condemnation for Israel at every opportunity, while attempting to present palestinians as perpetual victims. Not unlike during the war with hezbollah in 2006.

    Just pointing out history and pointing out your posts. I see nothing but condemnation for Israel and not a peep about hamas, who started this war (once again) and is hiding behind women and children.

    You do have a side. We all do. Let's not pretend we don't.
     
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  4. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #64
    Considering the state Gaza has been in for the past couple years, I would certainly consider that being perpetual victims suffering in an Israeli occupation.

    Consider this. 40% of the population are children, 80% of the population lives on food handouts, and there's a 40% unemployment rate. What's the reason? Could it be the huge blockade that's completely destroying Gaza's economy? What do you think would happen to a country if they weren't allowed to import or export goods? Do you think it would carry on as usual or suffer an enormous economical crisis? Do you think its fair Israel has been blocking humanitarian aid trucks going into Gaza since 2006? I think common sense will give you these answers.

    From 2001 when the missile attacks started until 27 April 2008, 13 Israelis were killed by Qassam rockets. During this time, for every Israeli killed by Qassam rockets, about 100 Palestinians have been killed by Israel.

    Like I said I take no side. I just look at the facts.
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #65
    That's because you side with hamas and palestinians, like you sided with hezbollah when Israel was attacked by them. I know where you stand, you've made it very clear over the past few years. The only occupation taking place is that muslims are still occupying parts of Israel's lands.

    I don't consider unsourced "facts" that are pulled out of thin air. Israel has not been blocking humanitarian aid, in fact, Israel is providing aid during this very war, which was started by the side you are supporting.

    Again, unsourced "facts." But I'll bite, because it's such a silly argument that's laden with fallacy. The notion that war requires an equal amount killed on both sides is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. Wars don't work that way.

    When hamas fires rockets and motors into Israel, it has only one goal....to kill Jews, regardless of who they are for the sole reason that they are Jews.

    If you are disappointed that hamas is too stupid to figure out how to aim rockets and therefore wished there were more Israeli casualties, you'll continue to be disenfranchised. For hamas is that stupid and the lack of Israeli casualties is not because hamas isn't trying with great effort to do what the quran commands them to do, it's because they are too stupid to figure out how to fire them accurately.

    I disagree. Each post you makes is pro palestine (pro hamas?) and anti-Israel. If you are trying to portray something different than that, you might want to review your posts and try something new. It very much comes off anti-Israel/pro-palestine. I might point out, that it's certainly not the first time here either.
     
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  6. aletheides

    aletheides Banned

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    #66
    lmao - Israel has been blocking humanitarian aid since forever. Come on, this is common stuff.
    Israeli navy blocks Gaza aid ship
    Israeli occupation government blocks hundreds of international humanitarian aid trucks from entering Gaza, reduces fuel supplies drastically

    Your right. If Hamas kills at least 1 Israeli, then their entire country should suffer and perhaps they all should die. Right?

    Gaza comprised of 47% children.
    About 70 percent of the population of the small Palestinian territory suffers from what is termed food insecurity - difficulty getting hold of even basic foodstuffs.
    UN report: At 45%, Gaza unemployment is highest in the world.

    There is no accuracy to those rockets, just a general direction. I wish nobody would die.

    Your right. I just look at the facts and present them as they are. I don't have bloodlust for "savages" and I don't let my emotions influence my opinion like many others here.

    People are really the same, 99% of them all want to live in peace. Just something to remember.
     
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