Actually I did read it... they had material a terrorist might like to use... bid deal? every country has that kind of stuff. Doesn't make it proof of a WMD now does it?
Or give a good enough reason to attack them, overthrow their government, and implement one similar to our own.
I'm not disputing he has had them in the past... I'm just saying when President Bush addressed the world and said we were going to war because they had 100% solid proof that they CURRENTLY had WMD and were planning on using them against the United States, it might have been a bit of a stretch of the truth. Coming back after the fact and saying, "Well, he had them in the past, or he could have had them in the future." isn't what was said in the beginning. I would have more respect for Bush (and the whole administration) if they were just upfront... "Hey, we don't like Iraq, and we want to install a Democracy. We don't really have a CURRENT reason to do so, but we are going to do it anyway." I wouldn't agree with it, but at least I would only disagree with the administration rather than disagree *and* think they were liars.
I've spent a little time in nuclear power, and part of your training(over and over and over) is seeing the acute effects of radiation. We were shared case files of kids finding 'marbles' in old medical devices in junkyards, and have thing leg eaten away in a day from having the 'marble' in their pockets. These were 'old' cases, and one was in Mexico. I think since Carter passed a law stating all radioactive material becames property of the US. Gov, there has been a higher level of accountiblity. Many junk yards have been survied, and my understanding is X-Ray machines today don't use 'gamma sources' but generate their x-rays via electron excitation. Since these old stories contained dangerous radioactive sources, maybe use in the construction of any bombs would be too dangerious to the makers. OH, prior to 90's, 2000's, there were bomb scares, nukes and dirty bombs in the 70's. There is actually task forces that survay whole cities from the air. From the energy levels and type of emmisions of radiation, you can tell whether its source is expected like from medical treatment, or a nuclear plant, or from something unexpected like an old fuel rod from the 50's(anything newer is probly unapproachible still. ). later, tom
I remember national geogrphic or someone had a pic of kid who took some part out of a x-ray machine and rubbed it on himself, it was really bad
Saddam actually killed those Kurds 20 years ago, not that it makes it less worse, but we were friends with him then, I am pretty sure we were still selling him weapons after that Kind of like when people bring up the gas attacks he did against Iran as a reason to invade, we SUPPORTED the gas attacks then, even though we told him to chill out If he such a bad guy why keep doing business with him all this time. Why is no one ever mad at the Saudis who actually most likely banked rolled 911? It is a true testament to right wind corporate propaganda, that Saudi Arabia , isn't held at all accountable for their on going support of terror. What happened to Bin Laden, remember him? Wasn't he like important to get? You guys ever read 1984 with the foever war, the enemy changes but the war continues forever, because as long as their is war and fear, the people don't question the government
That's not what Bush was talking about. He used the fear and confusion after 911 knowing that stating they had weapons of mass destruction with plans to use them on the US would garner instant support for war. I don't blame Republicans or Democarats (who'm some also voted for the war) because they were all duped by the Bush administration. I do blame the few conservatives left who are now still trying to defend the administrations actions. But like I said in my earlier posts (which no one seems to have the balls to challenge me on) that support is waining.
Although i am republican im tired of politics in general since it seems like broken record..the same stories over and over. Tired of all the stupid indictments and such.
In my own defense I have never said that I agree with why we went in, only that now that we are there we cannot just leave. He did dupe us, he used a tragedy to fund a war.
Bullshit! He did NOT dupe us. I am so sick of that I could puke, So Al Gore duped us too? Or how about your beloved John F'n Kerry? Remeber what he was saying in the 2002 midterms? He sat on the intelligence committee for gods sake, he had the same intel as Bush! Knock it off with the Bush lied shit, you know it is bullshit. Hell 2 years before we went to war, wasn't Clinton saying saddam was making bombs for terrorists? What the hell should we have done with the intel in hand, oh and dont just take US's Intel, remember France and Russian intel also concurred, oh yeah Chirrach was Bush's buddy, i forgot....
I agree that there was some obvious breakdown somewhere along the way (I don't know, and really don't care where it was). The bottom line (for me) is that Bush is the one that told me the stuff that ultimately was not true. It wasn't Clinton or the French or Russian intel that I heard it from, it was Bush. For me (right or wrong), in my mind that leaves accountability with him. If someone tells me something that ultimately is not true, I'm going to hold them accountable for getting their facts straight. I don't care if they heard it from a friend of a friend... if they are going to repeat it, they should check their facts. I guess in the end, that's my real issue. If the president of the United States doesn't have enough power (for whatever reason) to check his facts and make sure they are straight, how can someone take what he says at face value?
No comment on those WMD's you say we found a year ago huh Henny?? Guess what, clinton, kerry, etc who ever else you want to throw in the mix for whatever reason, aren't the ones making the final decision to go to war, it was GEORGE BUSH.
What do you guys think the long term effect of the war will be? Will it be a better society in Iraq? Let's assume there were lies that got us in there: Do you believe that 30 years from now the inconsistencies within Bush's statements will be remembered or the beginning of more humane societies in the middle East will be praised and celebrated as something that Bush has started.