Why don´t thiefs get banned here?

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by herenow, Jun 2, 2009.

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  1. #1
    Could anyone be so nice to tell me, why people who constantly violate copyright laws get away with it, while relatively unimportant actions like bumping a thread will result in a ban?

    I have reported behaviour like this
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=11548354&postcount=58
    and nothing has happened.
    Or in a case like this
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=11050860&postcount=30
    A moderator has removed the ripped off graphics without banning the "designer" who has passed the work as his own.

    And obviously he is still around
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=127060

    Dear moderators, this is decidedly criminal activity and I see no reason why you should support that.
     
    herenow, Jun 2, 2009 IP
  2. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Short Answer: Bumping is violating a DP rule, which they enforce. Copyright is a legal issue that is not going to be determined by a moderator on a webmaster forum.

    If it is criminal activity, go to the police. DP is not in the business of moderating disputes between members.

    Bitching about it in a thread is like standing on a street corner yelling "I was scammed" and wondering why everybody is not leaping to help you. Don't do business with they guy, it is pretty simple. If you decide YOU want to be the police, then YOU do something, stop demanding other people do something just because it bothers YOU.

    While it may seem obvious and plain as day that he is a theif, DP does not have staff to check out every claim and frankly, why should they? Disputes between members are exactly that, disputes between members. Sue them, complain to the police, do what ever it is you think needs to be done.
     
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  3. herenow

    herenow Peon

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    Nobody simply "decides they want to be the police". The moderators here have (the time and) the means to ban members. As I wrote above a moderator removed the evidence of a copyright infringement while not banning the member himself.
    The only public information on a member is mostly his or her member name, while DP stores all the relevant information (email / IP).
     
    herenow, Jun 2, 2009 IP
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    campolar Peon

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    The members are responsible for the content they post. If he/she posted content copyrighted by you, then file a DMCA instead of publically posting it here. This thread can be/will be used against you if it ever happens...

    So, users breaking DP rules will be taken care of within DP, DP breaking copyright rules need to be taken care of by authorized people only...
     
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  5. herenow

    herenow Peon

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    Oh dear, it doesn´t seem like you two were meant to communicate with me.

    For the rest, you can decide for yourself:
    http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cach...057167+schueis+arpad&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

    A moderator seems to have immediately reacted to my objection, but not by banning the respective member, even though this has already happened repeatedly, but by eliminating the evidence / postings in question.
    So please don´t give me that "members are to settle problems on their own" / "moderators don´t have the time anyway".

    Apart from that, I see no reason, why the board´s rules should suspend common sense or certain minimal moral standards.
     
    herenow, Jun 3, 2009 IP
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    hostlonestar Peon

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    These are private forums. If you don't like the way they are run you are free to leave at any time. Quit complaining. The law requires someone to act on DMCA notices should you be able ot prove you own the copyright. It does not require them to ban people. It does not require them to warn them/give them infractions. It only requires the content be removed.

    It it bothers you either leave or go to a court and get a subpeana.
     
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  7. herenow

    herenow Peon

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    Yeah, sure, noone´s required to behave like a human being here, I get the picture. You may now let this threat mysteriously disappear.
     
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  8. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Do you own the content?

    It seems you are just pointing out that it looks like someone stole an image from some third party and is selling it. Do have anything other than your suspicion? A link to the image somewhere else is proof of nothing. Do you know as a fact that he did not license or own the original image? If you don't have the actual facts why in the world would you expect DP to act on your suspicion and ban somebody?

    The funny thing is that you haven't shown a damn thing that is worthy of acting on anyway.
     
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    herenow Peon

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    Boys and girls, my initial posting was merely a polite question. A perfectly reasonable question, because to a normal human being it must seem obscene that someone can simply steal a designer´s property, pass it as his own work, betray all the other ones entering a contest and risk that the buyer will have to pay thousands for something he mustn´t use. So what on earth should it matter if it´s my own work or not?

    I wouldn´t have written this if
    I hadn´t reported a copyright infringement, a moderator promptly responded, but not by sanctioning the thief but by simply removing the evidence, even though that member is proven to have done this more than once before.


    All of this is perfectly obvious if you look at the links above.
     
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    hostlonestar Peon

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    And a normal human being knows that these are privately owned forums tha tno one is forcing you to post or read at.

    Simply leave if you don't like it here.

    Or, if you have a load of time, find the original copyright owner and let them know.

    But seriously, they have said it time and time again, because, apparently you don't use the search function, but, this has been asked numerous times, and you are going to get the same answer each and every time. Either suck it up, or leave.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    We are not the judge nor jury. If you so desire a forum whose moderators can act as legal enforcers, you may want to encourage your local police to setup a forum. Our stance is quite clear here.
     
    wisdomtool, Jun 3, 2009 IP
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