Why does usa keep interfering in everything.

Just for the sake of argument, lets assume that this picture (as if a georgia flag, an american flag, and a picture of Derek Jeter on a blue badge proves anything) actually proves that there was any form of American presence training troops...

how are we responsible for any invasion again? Thats like saying just because I teach a class on gun safety to new rifle owners that I am somehow responsible for a guy that has taken my class who goes out shoots someone maliciously. Ultimately, that guy is still responsible for his own actions and I had no impact on the decision that was made.

 

Don't consider the slave country USA, look for the country which control it.


The Georgian-Russian war disclosed the Israeli role involved in this war, not only in the events of war, but also with regard to causes and circumstances surrounding them, and the roots of conflict. This war has emerged from the scope of being regional narrow war between two countries to be an open arena for projects of wars and confrontations between many nations and other forces.
According to observers, the motives of Israel to intervene forcefully in the Caucasus war, is headed by an attempt to secure oil interests, since the Tel Aviv strive to maintain oil supply line known as the "Baku - Tbilisi - Ceyhan", which transports crude oil from Azerbaijan, on through Georgia to Turkey, and then to Israel.

This was interpreted by the Israeli media that the war had affected the production of this vital line, which Israel aspires to invest.

Tel Aviv has a strong desire to invest this line of oil in order to become a springboard for transporting crude oil from the Caucasus to the Far East via pipeline connecting the port in "Ashkelon" on Intermediate Sea, and "Eelat" on the Red Sea.

The Israeli role in the Caucasus war didn't stop at igniting and encouraging the Georgian side to fight on, but extended to more

Strategy Motives

The Israeli policy comes toward Georgia as one of the most prominent of the Caucasus region, very consistent and coherent beyond with the general way which the Israeli exterior policies use.

Israel used 2 means with Georgia:
First: recruit the role of Georgian Jewish community, which was clear and influential role in the convergence between Tbilisi and Tel Aviv, which is reflected in the role of Georgian immigrants to Israel in facilitating arms deal.

The second mean is the military cooperation, and Israel's exploitation of the state of military tension between the Caucasus countries, and trying to supply one of them by the greatest possible amount of arms, which will pave the way for the establishment of a military and strategic alliance with it.

Georgia was the best candidate for that due to the close relations with the West, and the existence of a state of hostility between it and the surrounding States due to racial reasons.

Available data regarding the recent political behaviour of "Tbilisi" proves the Israeli role in Georgia.
As for the relationship with Washington, Georgia has received third place in number of military in Iraq (2000 troops) after U.S. and British forces.

With regard to Israel, was no better evidence of the growing relationship than Georgian government as it established a special week of celebrations in the capital, "Tbilisi" for the sixtieth anniversary of the founding of Israel!

Some Israeli media reports has already uncovered that Tel Aviv has prepared Georgia militarily for this war, not only by supplying arms, but also from a technical and artistic side.
Preparing Georgia for the war:

A report of Dabka intelligence site on Aug. 10 had previously said that Tel Aviv dispatched to Georgia around 1000 military expert, helped in training the Georgian army to launch its offensive against South Ossetia.
Georgian President "Mikhail Sakeshvelli" entrusted those experts to train the Georgian armed forces to commando tactics, The air and sea fighting, tanks battles and artillery bombardment, in addition to the exercises in the areas of military intelligence and secure system of government.

The large number of Israeli observers point out that the Mossad succeeded in escalating the selection of Georgian politicians loyal to Tel Aviv to the top of government. As the President "Sakeshvelli", who had more than one visit to Israel before he took office, in addition To the Georgian minister of defense "David Kzrishvli", who mastered the Hebrew language, and has close relations with Israel, and this is what cause him to play a big role in facilitating arms deal between Georgia and Israel.

With the start of the war in Caucasus, officials at the Israeli Defence Ministry rushed to warn that the Israeli arms deal with Georgia has increased over the past two years, reaching unprecedented levels. The warning of the Ministry of exterior to the Ministry of Defence in Israel for the consequences of causing Russia to get angry limits that increase.

This came after Israeli intelligence site "dabka" detected strongly-worded warning by Moscow to both Tel Aviv and Washington to stop military intervention in the war, and so led to the retreat of Israeli arms sales to Georgia to 200 million dollars.

It was previously confirmed by Israeli newspaper "Yediot Ahronot" in its edition of 11th of this month that Israel has played the major role in igniting clash that took place in South Ossetia between Georgia and Russia, by arming the Georgian army, and encouraging the Georgian president "Sakeshvelli" on Doing his last military steps against South Ossetia, and then against Russia.

The newspaper said that Israel had entered into a number of arms deal with Georgia since the year 2001, by means of the initiative of Jews emigrated from Georgia to Israel, and become businessmen in the field of arms trade.

And a few months ago, it was disclosed publicly the military cooperation between the "Tbilisi", "Tel Aviv" after a Russian plane shot down a drone of plane made by Israel in Georgia. This was considered as a warning from Moscow.

At the same time, the "Maarif" newspaper confirmed that former Israeli ministers and retired generals achieved a big richness after the discovery of the amount of gain in exporting arms to Georgia, so they were in replacement of Jewish immigrants from Georgia for this role, and became resident representatives of a number of Israeli arms companies in "Tbilisi".

Israel now fear that Russia would sell "S-300" advanced missile, anti-aircraft to both Iran and Syria, in response to the Tel Aviv military support for Georgia.
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Finally, USA's citizens are innocent, so I strongly disagree that they should have a lesson like their government.

Their government is opressive, but the citizens are not.

 

I didn't think it was possible, but you have made your idiotic cut and paste of the Koran seem like intelligent posts by your latest contribution to the forum.

Nice to see you revealing more of yourself at least. It would have been much simpler to just type that "Israel and the Jews are behind everything"

 

To your knowledge, the troops from Iraq arrived late and did not take part in this battle. And the place Vaziani which is clearly seen on the badge is in Georgia, not in Iraq.

The american instructors WERE in Georgia at the time when Georgia launched this attack. Can you read? I didnt say you are dumb, Im only posting the facts. You can ignore however you like it, but fact is a fact.

what rules? This picture shows the truth, if you dont like the truth, no need to say its against the rules, the picture is from federal russian news company.

Dont be mad if I show more than CNN does

My point is: US helped Georgia in this attack. On the back it says the Pentagon address : "if it's lost , return to blah blah blah" like on cc's

You are getting nervous? Chill out.

You can say that you are not the ones to blame, but:

a) what did your troops and Humvees were doing in there?

b) Why do you sponsor Georgia with weaponry and even with uniform "Armed Forces"? Because, you have some interests in that region.

And after that you are going to say that US did not know about this plan? Whatever, its all obvious here.

Im only arguing about US sponsoring this sh*t and that US KNEW about it. Thats all.

Why do you think EU and Sarkozi said US will not be in talks when he flew to sort it out? Cos US = Georgia.

 

Of course browntwn, we have been through this before i do not know if you post dishonestly on purpose or you just can't help it. Since when did Israel mean Jews? Many Jews are against Israel. Stop trying to over simplify things to fit everything into your narrow viewpoint. The last thread, you ran away from because you had no answers, so i will continue to answer your bullshit in every other thread.

 

slave of Allah, very good post, its well known anyway. There are 2-5 spy planes shot down in South Ossetia. These planes were made in Israel and sold or presented(who knows) to Georgia.

 

That was to the original poster who crossed the line of wishing something bad on me, my fellow citizens, and my country. If he said the same about your country, you would feel the same.

You make such ridiculous claims, your sword is the sharpest, and most doubled edged on this forum. You say Americans are brainwashed by the media, but then you come back with news from the Russian media. Your in the same boat as the people you accuse of being brainwashed. Russia want's you to think the US pushed Georgia to attack, the same way the US wants people to think Russia started the conflict. You need to do a overhaul on yourself before you judge others.

I have a couple government issued ID's that say the same thing. Again that picture is purely propaganda, and obviously working.

The US military is still a business. Georgia probably paid good money for our training, and supplies. Again the US has, and does train different military personnel around the world. Of course they usually take up our style of uniform, ID's, and weaponry. It's absolutely nothing new. Philippine Army, Mexican Army. See the resemblance between them, Georgian troops, and the US Army? There is American made weaponry throughout the world. The US is the number one exporter, and leader of military technology in the world.

I have nothing to be nervous about. Let me ask you something. Media from the US is wrong? and media from Russia is right?

 

When media from US (to be correct CNN) shows south ossetian ruins and SAYS that these are georgian ruins, how mad is that? Do you want the video and the camera man whose video that was? I think you've seen it, if not, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVNblG9PJMk

The girl on Fox who was there said the truth, and you still want me to believe US media? That is impossible. I cannot be so ignorant, sorry.


Now take a globe and say where the US and where the Russia is located. yeah, I will believe american media that even cant spot the territory where the battle started and who bombed whom

Would you spot a Gori from Tskhinvali? Of course not!

p.s: sorry, I thought the rules sentence were meant to be addressed to me.

 

With regard to blaming Israel and the US for the situation in Georgia; it shows a rediculous leap of blame. There is a lot of evidence showing that the US and Israel have supplied aid to Georgia.

That doesn't mean they are responsible for the conflict in any way at all. Clearly Georgia and Russia have had bad relations for a period of time. Georgia has wanted to align itself with NATO and Russia doesn't want Georgia to do so.

Georgia, with negative relations with Russia is free to seek help, alliances, etc. from any nations.

One article I read suggested unattributed US advisors suggested Georgia specifically not take actions with regard to the "break away regions". It would lead Georgia into a trap being set by Russia.

That would suggest, Georgia might well have "started the conflict" and that Russia might have antagonized the status quo to entice Georgia to act.

Who really knows?

It also suggests, if that was the course of action, Georgia acted on its own independant of any allies, weapons suppliers, etc. and independantly of advice that said....DONT DO IT.

It doesn't automatically leap into a conclusion that the conflict between Georgia and Russia is the responsibility of any nations besides those two.

On a different level, as it reflects so called US involvement around the world, I reference the nations within Africa.

How many conflicts are occurring in Africa? How many people are being slaughtered, in poverty, etc.

How many nations outside of Africa are involved in some way supporting, financially backing, blocking UN charitable or peace keeping efforts, etc. to try and control some of the immense killing and devastation in a variety of nations throughout the continent?

Its quite a few. Basically, though, the US has significantly less involvement within the many troubled nations within that continent than in other nations that receive far more publicity. At the same time, other nations are involved in a variety of ways which simply extend the massive continent wide killings and literally destroy these nations' ability to prosper and move forward.

The US is big and does get involved around the world. There is no comparison between US world wide activities and those of Switzerland.

Regardless it is not the only such nation to do so, it is not the only nation whose actions can be questioned.

It is telling, though, that some would leap to attack and connect the US (and Israel) as the deepest of villains with regard to the situation vis a vis Georgia and Russia.

The US and Israel are easy targets by so many within the world.

Some folks and nations should look at themselves.

 

heres another proof of LIES, listen to GEORGIAN locals of so called "bombed Gori":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrmSgErH5WU&NR=1

earlpearl, nevertheless you cannot deny that US and Israel "military aid" to Georgia was huge, making Georgia the largest rising military in the world in 1 year. They dont have their own money for that, 1,5 mln georgians are working in Russia and sending funds to Georgia, somewhat like 30% of the whole budget is coming from Russia. So, its very clear where they got a $1 bln in just one year.

 

The only way to see truth in ANY media when it comes to politics or war, is first hand experience. It's the only way to interrupt what's happening correctly. I don't expect you or anyone else to believe the US media. You see things I don't, because I was raised on American culture. Now flip it around, and I will see things you don't see, because you were raised on a different culture than me. If you don't trust the US media, then you shouldn't trust the Russian media. As a outsider I can see the lies Russia is telling, and you can see the lies the US is telling. Luckily I think I've found a common middle ground, and BOTH the US, and Russia are distorting what is really happening. I just hope people would be more willing to take the same approach rather than HAVING to put the blame on one side, when every side is accountable.

 

True, but how would you comment these 2 videos? Any comments?

Do you think its ok to name one town as the other? I think its insane, even USSR did not do such things.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7586605.stm

 

this is not quite true. Belurussia and Kazakhstan backed up Russia, while China did not say anything against Russia either. I saw it on TV.

Apart from that, the rest seems to be like real.

The independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia is not a one day process. So not a big deal here The fact that SCO is fine together and did gather unlike Russia-NATO didnt, is the main point.

 

N_F_S: I haven't seen the statistics you reference. If they show Georgia to have grown its military or spending on military greater than any other nation, its on a percentage basis.

Still Georgia's military power is teeny relative to Russia, as we have seen.

Interesting that many Georgians work in Russia and send money back to Georgia. That situation is similar to one in the US wherein millions of immigrants (legal and illegal) from a variety of Latin American nations (and elsewhere) work and earn money within the US and send it to their families in their home countries. (I doubt they send it to their native lands with notes that say spend it on bombs.).

Still, as the topic in this thread relates to US involvement everywhere in the world, and as the posts moved to the specific situation with regard to Georgia and Russia, whatever the involvement of Israel and the US with regard to helping Georgia build its military and deal with its issues with Russia it does not in any way take the blame from the two nations involved, Georgia and Russia.

I simply suggest that blaming the US and blaming Israel is an excuse that moves us from the significant issues and bellicose interactions, over quite a few years, between Georgia and Russia themselves.

If my little brother is skinny and weak, and I'm older and train him to be tough, then he goes out and picks a fight with someone else, am I to blame or his he to blame?

 

Honestly I don't know what to say. Personally I've disliked CNN for a long time, I find their coverage unbalanced even on interior US issues. I don't think it's okay for that to happen, and I can't/won't defend it. More importantly though, did CNN ever issue any statement about it?

 

Here is the article about it:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1542107,00.html

1,2 that is legally......there are illegals too.

I'm not saying they sending money home for making bombs)) Thats what Im saying, the people are fine, its the administration which is sick, and the money coming from the west. The money for weapons, not for building some cinema or smth. Thats what Im saying. Here is another link:

http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/news/a...a_prepares_war_on_abkhazia_south_ossetia.html

Well, if your little brother goes to a fight with a much stronger person and knows that the result will be zero, and in fact - negative, then the older broth should've stopped him if he really cares about him. Or join him

The lil broth made a mistake, that is for sure.

I havent heard any yet

 

The Tiraspol article references the high rate of growth of military spending by Georgia. Still Georgia's military, as we have seen is a gnat compared to that of Russia.

The Times article, besides referencing the Georgians working in Russia also references that problems existed between the two lands even before the breakup of the Soviet Union.

If my little brother picked a fight with anyone, bigger or smaller, after my training, I may have a secondary level of responsibility, in so far that I made him tougher. The Overwhelming responsibility, though, would fall on him for having the poor judgement of fighting. It was his action and his decision.

If I urged him to pick a fight, I would have a greater level of responsibility. BUT, if he had independant judgement, the responsibility would still fall mostly on his shoulders.

If I forced him to fight, I would be the responsible one.

When I was 4,5, or 6 I had this friend about whom my brother always teased me. I think he kept urging me to fight this guy. I remember one winter day, the two of us were playing in snow and I saw my bigger older brother coming toward us. I was struck by fear.

Now I am sorry to say I jumped my friend and started a fight. We were never good friends again.

Now I gotta take responsibility for it. Does my brother have any responsibility for it. I'd say a little....but I'm the one who acted.

BTW, who won that fight? I'm pretty sure I did. But to tell the truth, when you are 4,5, or 6 and pretty scrawny and both of us were wearing very thick winter coats, I doubt sincerely anyone got physically hurt.

The situation in Georgia and Russia is way more serious than a pair of skinny scrawny kids trying to punch one another while wearing the biggest bulkiest outfits imaginable.

 

Thank you very much dear ThraXed.

 

Thanks N_F_S,

I don't know why someone attacked me as if I posted wrong information. Although it is as you said: well known.