Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?

I know you are not here to conclude something rather you are here to just bull people. If you were so serious person, I have sent you so many long long posts but you failed to bring anything logical in response except for some hypothetical statements. That is why now (even I can) I do not feel like answering any of questions because I know it is just wasting time on you and will end up no where, rather you will pop up again with something hateful for religion (and I don not like even if you talk against Jesus). First answer me what I posted about atheists. Agree with it or reject it with your solid points…..no other talk on any next issue till then……..


And also visit these sites too. That’s what I ask every one, not to see one side of the picture.

How do you justify all these facts…………and I am not sending these fact written by Muslims, like you have done and sent those site purely written by anti-Muslim elements

It's estimated that in 2003 about 50,000 women were raped in the UK……..http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1539646,00.html


USA: Authorities fail to protect Indigenous women from shocking rates of rape
Press release, 04/24/2007

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR510712007

Rape Rate in USA.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offens...ible_rape.html

http://WWW.fbi.GOV/ucr/ucr.htm

just type in google about rape rate in USA, and learn more about CIVILIZED West

P.S These facts are written by your own people, not by any Muslim. Every one pl try to differentiate this fact. What ever he has sent me is written by anti-muslim people but I am sending what authentic / known and their own people saying…….

 

I've seen some strange posts, but this one takes the cake... Literally !

 

Still works for that statement as a rebuttal.

 

Bullbla, why did you say l2y is a christian, it's a simple question. You wrote more text beating around the bush than answering the actual question. It goes like this; "i assumed l2y was a christian because".....

Also it does not matter how many rapes are committed in the west, we are talking about burqa's here & if they help stop rapes, which they don't. Getting statistics from muslim countries about rapes is impossible & any figures released are skewed & many rapes are not even noted down, in fact even reporting rape in muslims countries put the womens whole lifestyle in a mess, the husband doesn't like it, shes looked down upon by others the police don't help & it puts her at risk. With that said how many women even tell their husbands never mind the police?

Why would any muslim women report rapes? with such a shocking history of what happens next.

Are women raping the men? no, then why should they have to wear anything to prevent perverts from getting them? the protection they need is not a burqa but an whole legal system that works for them when they are raped & good laws that prevent rapes & we are not talking about laws that are in place but never used

 

Now you know how you get pissed if someone doesn’t answer your question and beat around the bush. This is what all the time I get from you. So honey first do answer me all what I already have posted you………before demanding reply from me………because you just waste time by asking questions and questions and questions without even settling one…….cant play this game with me…..

aahan, why not talk about West? If west is attacking muslims, first it should look itself. The big culprit doesn’t look good propagating falsehood against others while not allowing to talk on itself…..its against common sense….

again hypothetical statements which you invent in your mind. No solid reference for you allegations. But I have given you fact about what ever you have said for Muslim women, in fact you are talking about Western women. Again check out this below….

It's estimated that in 2003 about 50,000 women were raped in the UK, although just 11,867 went to the police. Of those cases, 1,649 went to trial but, appallingly, only 629 resulted in successful prosecutions. If you reported a rape in 2003 you had a mere 5.3 per cent chance of getting your rapist convicted. Worse, the conviction rate for rape in the UK has been sliding for years. In the 1970s you had a 33 per cent chance of getting a conviction. In 1985 it was 24 per cent. The 2003 figures, the most recent, are the worst ever. The frightening fact is that, in 21st century Britain, rape is a low-risk crime.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1539646,00.html

pl correct your statement, you are in fact referring to women in Your civilized UK……

I don’t understand how will you understand? Your are talking about which system? I have given you example of that system above. Now you proliferate hate against Burqa but you don’t get facts against it even. Then you say its hard to collect facts. What are you talking man. It’s the time of powerful electronic media. If something happens even under the earth, media will take it out in no time.Ironically it is already known that if even a small incident occurs in muslim world, west media promulgates it like hell lot big issue. And you blaming muslim for what you don’t have anything or lesser when comparing to West. But something that is proven in West you say not to talk about it. Then what exactly you want? Lets say just now I talk against Burqa, what else system you will give me? Is the one that exist in UK with more than 50000 rapes in one year??? First tell me the concept of Burqa then talk to me. A person should first know things before spreading hate against them. Otherwise, literary it is called “Jack of all, master of none……..”

Criticizing something is easy but replacing it with something positive always requires lot of efforts. But it’s a common practice that people prefer writing one or two lines full of hate and criticism but fail to bring any alternate. Therefore I think I am struggling hard to create awareness about a system I advocate for, and my long long posts are witnessing that. But look at you; you are giving nothing but few words of criticism and hate. I would appreciate if you condemn me with some practical replacement. Otherwise it wont work the way you trying for…

 

What's so strange about it Jeremy?

 

Actually my muslim darling, i was the first to ask a question directed to you you can find it here if you have an hard time 'keeping up'.

So please don't beat around the bush any longer & answer the question. I know you may have an hard time being honest but this is probably down to your up bringing, heres the question for the 5th 6th 10th time?:

See this is why muslims are thought of as backward most of the time, by disagreeing with burqas you think we are "attacking on muslims" which is not the case, you people do get a little overheated at the slightest things don't you? Talk about the west if you like it's no problem, yes we have rapes & we do deal with them & prosecute any crimes that can be proved (we don't need x amount of witnesses either), we don't hide the facts rapes happen. You suggest burqas stop rapes from happening & that is simply not true, muslim countries still have rapes & they have the burqa, these countries are also not so open as to admit the scale of things in terms of rapes.

No your wrong again, your facts start with "It's estimated" estimates are not facts.

Bullbla sweet heart, listen, you don't wrap women up because of males who like to rape women regardless of any rates of rape, the responsibility of not raping lays firmly with the man, telling a woman what to wear is dictating to her, most people that are long out of the stone age don't like dictators or dictatorships.

If a women chooses to get raped by not wearing a burqa (as you say) that's her business not yours, if your such a fan of burqas wear one yourself, women have their own minds & don't need to be dictated to by you or your quran that was written many many years ago & is now irrelevant in the modern world, you need to realise times have changed & either forget such an ancient religion or make it evolve.

Who is to blame for a rape of a women?

Who should have a burden place upon them, the man who is the potential rapist or the women who is the one potentially rape victim?

 

Okay go back to my posts, and see how many question I have asked you so far, and how many have you answered……..why panic if I dint answer one deliberately…..

and that’s why I always insist you for presenting proofs before calling for something. Like you say there are many rape cases of Burqa woman. Before saying thins just remember there are many more west-oriented girls in majority in most of the muslim countries. They wear such dresses which are not even seen on any bay of UK or US. So rape cases of those women should not be counted towards rapes in muslim society. Show me any case of Woman in Burqa who got raped. Send me proof of that incident to make me believe you. Or else calling me backward wont do anything. I never did call you anything, but just proved it with my reference. Why not you do that and come up with so much strong points that you wont require the support of such words .i.e. backward etc…..

That’s your misconception. We all know that flies come over sugar. What we do is to cover the sugar so that flies wont come. But what you are asking is that no no don’t conver the sugar but ask fly to hold themselves. When you talk something like this, it results in leaving 50000 rape cases in one year. You are going against the nature so you can not control your flies which take up your all sugar. Try to understand the difference. Its not taking their rights. Its like giving them protection. But the problem lies in basic…like for west its is more important to have more liberty even on the cast of getting raped. But islam favor all due right while protecting her honor and prestige also. Now its up to people what they go for, either they want un-natural liberty with getting raped or being safe in hands of proper system.

So first we must settle on what is more important.

if your child is crossing the road and I am watching a car coming to him to crush him, even I can stop him but I don’t do that saying that it non of my business. How will you feel then? This is the beauty of Islam that it does not leave any one to get hurt in any regard, rather it protects the smallest right of an individual. But it always speaks against un natural things, therefore some people don’t like that as they want to follow their own will.

For this to answer, I asked you to send me the Burqa system of islam, but you did not answer me that. So first tell me all what you know exactly about the burqa system and then only talk about it. I want to test your knowledge for that your posts are claiming. I do not want to know your aspect, but the Muslim ideology of Burqa. Then we will carry on talking. But I really like talking to you, at least you are not like Will. Spencer. Or may be I should wait for that to happen???

 

I would appreciate if you condemn me with some practical replacement. lets say burqa is bad, it should not be there, but then give me some alternate....you talk about women in west with all rights.....but give me a system where your all so-called rights are there but still no evil......compare it with burqa and also give me a single inncident where a burqa woman got raped......not islamic coutry's woman.... rather a burqa woman......

 

Basically you refuse to answer due to you not wanting to make an ass out of yourself. Your beliefs lead you to conclusions that are wrong & that says a lot about you.

So to sum up, You claim that there are no rapes at all in muslim countries & if there are rapes it's not that mans fault instead it's the women & the western influences & these should not be counted as rapes.

You also request proof of something & when presented it will be anti-muslim correct?

Your confused natural behaviour of flies is to land on food "taking the sugar", are you saying the natural behaviour of muslims guys is to hold down a women & force themselves upon her?

 

so much for discussing with him...oh well...maybe iatbm will come back in here to fill bulba's shoes.

 

I think we are getting away from the point here with rape statistics and all that. The fact of the matter is, women should not be harassed or forced to cover themselves up and restrict their enjoyment of living. Anything proclaiming they have to is 1000 years out of time. It just makes no sense, you can't recognize who they are when their that covered up and the personal discomfort it creates is immense.

 

Not if the zionist conspiracy has anything to say about that...

 

i have always believed in the separation of religion and state. We all have our different beliefs but there should be a common law that applies to all citizens of a country. A countrys laws that favors any religion would eventually be forced to antagonize another whether its my christian faith or someones muslim faith. Maybe the arab countries that go strictly by muslim law should reexamine this system.

 

people are taking wrong image of islam, not all women is Islam wear burqa, its just 2-5% who wear, but you American and European thinks that only those are Muslim who wear burqa and have beard [in men]
come on guys , its just like being nudist in your society, only minor percentage of society, same problem with us...
hope you understand...

 

there's good swimming in the river of denial.

 

Maybe I do not understand the context:

" who ever found not wearing it should get his dick severed."