Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?

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    The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijaab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijaab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam


    1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust


    The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:




    Babylonian Civilization:
    The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.

    Greek Civilization:
    Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.

    Roman Civilization:
    When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.

    Egyptian Civilization:
    The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.

    Pre-Islamic Arabia:
    Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.


    2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status.


    Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.


    Hijaab for men

    People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:

    "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
    [Al-Qur’an 24:30]

    The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

    Hijaab for women.

    The next verse of Surah Noor, says:

    " And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."
    [Al-Qur’an 24:31]


    3. Six criteria for Hijaab.


    According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:

    Extent:

    The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.

    All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.

    The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.

    The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.

    The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.

    The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.

    The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.


    4. Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things


    Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.


    5. Hijaab prevents molestation


    The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

    "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
    [Al-Qur’an 33:59]

    The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.


    6. Example of twin sisters


    Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.


    7. Capital punishment for the rapists


    Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?


    8. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women


    Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.


    9. USA has one of the highest rates of rape


    United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.

    Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?


    10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes


    Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.
     
    bullbla, May 24, 2007 IP
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  2. alaska88

    alaska88 Peon

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    i am a bit confused: are you for or against it?
     
    alaska88, May 24, 2007 IP
  3. Kerosene

    Kerosene Alpha & Omega™ Staff

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    #3
    Hooligans! Ruffians! And teasing!

    You think Islam is strict? - my religion requires girls over 12 to wear capes in public.
    [​IMG]
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    GMROCKS Active Member

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    I feel sorry for Kerosene...

    That was one of the most confusing threads I've read in about a week.
     
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    ly2 Notable Member

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    It's for their own good! They only have to wear it because the weak little men can't control themselves in public.

    Kind of like putting a muzzle on a dog. The dog doesn't like the muzzle, but if the dog bites someone it will have to be put down. So, for the dogs own good, it wears a muzzle. :)
     
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    ly2 Notable Member

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    rofl.
    Do you really think we would let such a barbaric and vile practice forced upon our people? You must be in lala land.
     
    ly2, May 24, 2007 IP
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    allout Prominent Member

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    #8
    I knew I seen it before somewhere. I agree and if I am not mistaken DP mods hate it too.

    If you want to talk about your religion that you hold so dear, you could at least come up with something original. I respect someone who holds steadfast to their religion but seems to me it is a cheap copy and paste way to gain post not really defending your religious beliefs.
     
    allout, May 24, 2007 IP
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    KalvinB Peon

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    Positive results such as death to the infidels!

    WHERE DO I SIGN UP!?!
     
    KalvinB, May 24, 2007 IP
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    Toopac Peon

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    Try your local mosque:p
     
    Toopac, May 24, 2007 IP
  11. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    Right here, my young messenger of peace!
     
    ly2, May 24, 2007 IP
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    LOL. too much for a reading. I skip reading until I found your post. :D
     
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  13. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Maybe their women are ugly? A veil beats a hefty bag I suppose.. )
     
    Mia, May 25, 2007 IP
  14. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #14
    I am sure Christian women are uglier, then:
    "Shorn their hair", eh?

    - MENJ
     
    Ibn Juferi, May 25, 2007 IP
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps the issue is the male lack of control, the inability of the male to control his "urges" because he is taught to act upon them via education. Idea! Emasculation for first (and last) time offenders! I believe emasculation would be feared more than death.
     
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  16. bullbla

    bullbla Peon

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    #16

    You call Islam bad bad and bad, but did that what Jesus teach you to assault others religion with out even fully knowing them? Don’t forget you representing you religion / faith here, your language, your tone is contradictory to what you often claim for…….watch it……. ;)
     
    bullbla, May 26, 2007 IP
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    The goal of many American girls today is to dress like a hooker. :rolleyes:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Toopac Peon

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    Why do you believe anyone who doesn't like islam is christian? do you believe christians are your natural enemies?
     
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    the sad thing is, its over 32 degrees where i live and i saw a lady like this walking a few kms' (like at least 1hour walk to any near by houses)in a thinck clothed BLACK burqa dragging a suit case with scortching sun..and black obviously absorts heat...
    and the man was wearing white taking off his shirt..just chillin....makes you think
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    and the guys were chilln like this [​IMG]
     
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    Those burqa's look like exactly as there supposed to, something from the middle ages:rolleyes:
     
    Toopac, May 26, 2007 IP