Why does God allow suffering?

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  1. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #41
    Like the christian god?
     
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  2. PaulaP

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    #42

    Suffering - could this be one of perception on the part of the onlooker. I mean what you may perceive as suffering might be what 's needed for that person to move on to a new level. My belief, God is not the author of any malise in the earth. He gave man dominion over the earth.
    God is Love. You want a scripture, how about Proverbs 18:21 - Death and Life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. or Romans 8:13-14 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
     
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  3. webwork

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    #43
    Yes............
     
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    #44
    I think it is because he/it/whatever is just evil:D
     
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    #45
    God has no control over suffering. Suffering is a result of human actions and interactions or inaction.
     
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    #46
    Human suffering?
    I've heard it said that all human theology is incomplete. This debate, our experiences, bible study, science ... etc. are all attempts to understand a complex world and the Creator. God is real. The time is coming when we all will fully understand. I won't try to prove God's existence. What I will say is, my study of theology has proven to me without a doubt God is real. Continue to live, study, and debate. You'll find the answer. Jesus is the way.
     
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  7. webwork

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    #47
    Pain has a purpose.

    It keeps us alive.
     
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  8. jumpboy11jaop

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    #48
    Wrong.

    Pain is a sensation. One can live without it. There are in fact people like that, generally they survive to old age.
     
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  9. webwork

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    #49
    Wrong.

    Pain teaches.

    Imagine a child trying to touch a flame.

    He feels pain, and doesn't touch it again.

    Imagine he doesn't feel pain. He touches the fire and watches the beautiful flame turn his hands to nubs.


    Furthermore, how can one know they are hungry if their stomach doesn't deliver the painful feeling of being without food?


    Also, I would like to hear about these people who live their lives without pain. I suppose if you constantly keep yourself dosed up on Oxycontin that would be possible.
     
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  10. a slave of Allah

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    #50
    2. The Evil is to be against God (The Source of Good):

    God glory be to Him said:
    30. And whatever of misfortune befalls you, it is because of what your hands have earned. And He pardons much. (See the Qur'ân Verse 35:45).

    45. And if Allâh were to punish men for that which they earned, He would not leave a moving (living) creature on the surface of the earth, but He gives them respite to an appointed term, and when their term comes, then verily, Allâh is Ever All¬Seer of His slaves.

    41. Evil (sins and disobedience of Allâh, etc.) has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression and evil deeds, etc.), that Allâh may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to Allâh, and begging His Pardon).
     
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  11. gauharjk

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    #51
    You should not say these words. There are a million examples where people are punished, killed, tortured, raped, lives destroyed, families separated, for no fault of theirs. And there are many more who break every rule in the book, but they still enjoy life, and die a comfortable death, in old age, in bed. That is unfair. And I refuse to accept that God can be unfair.

    I know I cannot get these answers, because there are no answers. This is so depressing :(
     
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  12. a slave of Allah

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    #52
    if you believe that God is The Just, then you have to believe in the day of judgment, otherwise, you are disbeliever.

    God gives chances, but when He take the ciminal (with punishment), He will not let him escape.

    Glorified and Exalted is God.
     
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    #53
    You're an aggressive Muslim.





    I have fear.
     
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  14. contentedge

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    #54
    And that is precisely the problem with religious extremists. It's my way or high way. Great way to spread the religion.
     
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    #55

    Faith and Reason cannot coexist. :(
     
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    contentedge Active Member

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    #56
    Yeah; but faith and commonsense can coexist, right? You have your faith, I have my faith, and let others have their own faiths. Why do some people here want to convert everybody?
     
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    #57
    I never tried to convert anyone... How can I, when a lot of my own questions are unanswered?
     
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    #58
    I didn't mean you. You know the ones I'm talking about, don't you?
     
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    #59
    God does not allow suffering,but the people it self that made it happened.. we must take care of each other,as long as theres no greed in every idividual person
     
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    #60
    a great quote from Epicurus (the Greek philosopher):

    “Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him god?”
     
    Nima, May 26, 2012 IP