Why do you work ? you'll certainly die at the end !

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  1. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #141
    I did evaluate it after it had been expressed, and concluded it was nonsense.

    You seem to want to alter your argument every time i demonstrate that you don't actually conduct yourself in the manner you demand of others. You start by saying we should respect views because they are held by an individual, then you claim that we should respect them until they are proven false, now you are saying we should respect views until they are expressed. Each time you alter your argument in an effort to make my examples of views you obviously don't respect exempt from automatic respect.

    So again, do you "respect" the view that women should shut up and do as they are told? Or is it just views that you agree with that should be respected, no doubt specifically religious views?

    I will until you muster the either the courage or integrity to answer it. You made the statement, i'm just asking if you conduct yourself in the manner you demand of others by asking if, after you have told us to respect views on the grounds that they are views, respect them yourself. It's understandable that you would be reluctant to answer though, what with it inevitably blowing your entire premise out of the water and exposing you as a hypocrite.

    Tell you what, why don't you try and refine your argument further to try and exclude that example.
     
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    RadioBounce Banned

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    #142
    Think I would make it into Professor Xavier's school for gifted children?
     
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  3. atreides

    atreides Peon

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    #143
    Concluded what he HASN'T said as nonsense,and promptly ridiculing it?


    I have been consistent all along, and you know it. Your views are not in question here - your ridicule is.

    Here we go with the religion again. That's a really lame point that has been responded to twice already, so I am just going to say - look up.

    No, it just shows the bareness of your position, and you're trying to mask it with a rewrite of the same points that has been discussed, in lieu of an empty post.

    I had offered no examples, so it is interesting that you can see one.

    Now, since you're obviously not reading the preceding posts, allow me to summarize it for you.
    (i) You ridiculed a post without provocation and reason
    Errr...that's about it actually.
     
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    #144
    fourth time of asking... do you respect the view that women should shut up and do as they are told? Just answer it, or explain why you refuse to.
     
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  5. atreides

    atreides Peon

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    #145
    Sixth time responding - irrelevant to our point of discussion. Quite shifting and turning lad. Man up! Own up! Grow up!
    You screwed up, you disrespected someone for no reason at all and now your trying to justify it with childish questions.
    Stop acting like a brat, and apologize. All this wriggling around isn't going to change the fact. This may surprise you, but people actually will respect that.
    You may wonder why I am making a big deal out of this, and I'll tell you. Your recent posts in various threads has gradually shifted to this recently, for reasons best known to yourself. And like I pointed out in my earlier postings, any good you may be doing is completely tarnished by this kind of attitude.

    And incidentally, it should be very obvious to anyone what my position is on the matter you've raised.
     
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    #146


    stOx, other than just being lame your response really has no relevance to the quote - where in the above quote is their a reference to an invisible man, what abject servitude is there in reaching the Outerworld, the pursuit of life is begging, dignity is leaving as you came as nothing......there is nothing in your three sentences above of any value even of its own accord much less as a misguided reference to your own inner indiscretion.

    The very point of the Outerworld is not confusing oneself with what is real.
     
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    #147
    Unfortunately, most mutations are bad. You're probably just lucky if you don't have familial hypercholesterolemia.
     
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  8. stOx

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    #148
    It's only irrelevant because it demonstrates that you are a hypocrite. Why should i respect his views when you don't respect others? And more to the point, if all views deserve respect, why don't you respect the view that women should shut up and do as they are told? oh that's right, the views you don't respect aren't religious mumbo jumbo so aren't entitled to automatic respect are they. My advice is if you are going to demand that other people do something, make sure you do it yourself first, otherwise you end up looking like a hypocrite.

    I love how easy it was to tie you up in your own argument. Nothing demonstrates just how weak your position is than that.

    You can stamp your feet and become as hysterical as you like, but i don't have to respect his, or your, opinions. Deal with it.

    [quote="breeze wood']The very point of the Outerworld is not confusing oneself with what is real.[/quote]
    Nice to see you admit it.
     
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  9. atreides

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    #149
    Seriously, is this how you plan to justify yourself - by picking and choosing only points that can fit into your arguments?

    Do you seriously think anyone will buy this? Do you seriously think anyone will just ignore the points you have excluded?

    Heck, I think even you yourself is having trouble believing yourself.

    The point is simple:
    He made a general statement. You acted like a bully, by picking up something irrelevant, and started to ridicule him. It's a very simple issue.

    And since then, you have been dodging that simple fact. You try to drag other irrelevant issues into the picture again and again. You recycle the same irrelevant points again and again - as you have obviously ran out of excuses.

    Apologize. Be a mature adult. You are becoming more juvenile with each passing post.
     
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    #150
    Yeah. Now answer this question: Do you respect the opinion that all gays should be killed, preferably by stoning?
     
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    #151
    lol. Incredible. I just received a PM pointing out another thread in which you did some 'factual' editing in submitting a fact - picking and choosing points again. lol. You really are something *shakes head*
     
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    #152
    Please stop this. Don't keep grudges and drag it all over. If you really want to be a part of this discussion, please do it properly
     
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    #153
    Why are you avoiding questions? Yes I want to be a part of this discussion and have a legitimate question for you, you said that all views should receive automatic respect and should not be ridiculed, so tell me Do you respect the opinion that all gays should be killed, preferably by stoning? Prove that you are not a hypocrite.
     
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  14. atreides

    atreides Peon

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    #154
    Because it has no relevance to the issue I am raising

    Then perhaps you should read the entire post, or stop. I also posted this earlier:

    "As for proving false opinions, we are all able to exercise our intellect, moral values, experience and instinct to evaluate such opinions AFTER it has been expressed; not BEFORE, in a sweeping stereotypical demonstration of ridicule (there's the word again)"

    Did you read it? Or did you choose to ignore it to take a cheap shot?

    No relevance to the issue I have raised. I could easily answer that, but I really don't want to allow either of you to shift this discussion again into something else.

    What's next? More pick and choosing? More name callings?
     
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    #155
    For arguments sake here is me expressing an opinion: All gays should be killed, preferably by stoning. Now exercise our intellect, moral values, experience and instinct to evaluate this opinion and let me know if you would respect it and that it should not be ridiculed.
     
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    #156
    He can't answer the questions, because answering would prove he is unwilling to conduct himself in the manner he demands from others. It seems it's only views he agrees with, invariably views of a religious nature, and invariably christian ones, which are supposedly entitled to automatic respect. Basically he wants his views respected while being afforded the right to not respect others.

    Next he will probably claim that while he doesn't respect the view it's self, he respects the persons right to hold it, as though that was what he was arguing for all along and as if i was trying to prevent stupid views being expressed. Ignoring the questions put directly to him, while being cowardly and disingenuous, is really the only nook he has left to hide in. it's quite tragic really.

    In a way i'm glad he refuses to answer. it proves his position is untenable and that he is a hypocrite in a far more profound way than my words ever could.

    How he can claim that asking if he respects certain views after he told us that all views should be respected is irrelevant of mind boggling. I think he has confused the word "irrelevant" with the word "inconvenient".
     
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    #157
    This is so stupid. I am surprised you're not embarrassed to post this.
     
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    #158
    Avoiding questions again I see, Why don't you just accept that you are a hypocrite?
     
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    #159
    Tip: Next time you're asking for back up, don't make it so obvious. It's embarrassing.

    Call me names, twist my posts, pick and choose points to support your argument, drag in irrelevant points, ask me nonsensical questions, act like a child - do alllll that.

    The point remain the same: You ridiculed someone without provocation, without reason.
    The solution remains the same: Grow a pair, and apologize

    Your evasiveness, your boorish behavior, your pride - all on display each time you continue posting. Apologize
     
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    #160
    You're sad. You're acting like cheerleader here, without even understanding what the point is all about.
    You are pissed because I made you look silly on the other thread, so you're jumping at this opportunity for payback, without even considering the greater issue here. Grow up
     
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