Why do you work ? you'll certainly die at the end !

Well done.

In that your sensitivities are in no way a barrier in how i am entitled to respond to openly voiced opinions?

While i am against religion, i am equally against people like you. People who, while not buying in to it, feel it's entitled to special treatment. His views aren't entitled to respect just because they are religious views and they certainly aren't immune from criticism, scrutiny and, where it's warranted, ridicule.

While you may not be religious (or are you?) you are an enabler. You enable the mindset of believing in complete nonsense by criticising those who simply point out how ridiculous it is and try get people to afford it special protection on the grounds that the opinion he expressed publicly happens to be a religious one.

So to sum up, no, his views aren't entitled to respect, and neither are mine. In short, religious views are entitled to just as little automatic respect as nonreligious ones.

 

Mature.

What does that even mean?

No, his views are accorded automatic respect because he is an individual, just like you and me. Period. Anything else, and we are inviting anarchy. You do not walk up to people in the streets, and start ridiculing them, do you? And yet, here, you ridiculed his beliefs, because it was opposed to yours. Why? And why are you trying to justify this with an elaborate diversion when a simple apology will do?

My religious inclinations are my business, and my loved ones, and has no correlation to your line of argument.
Now I am an enabler? Listen to yourself? He was a simple poster whom you bullied.
I repeat, you are acting exactly like the fundamentalist you claim to oppose.

No, his views, as well as yours, are important. You know this. This isn't Airstrip one, and you're not Winston Smith

 

The aim of life is to have sex and reproduce.

The cycle has to be continued till someone finds a way to make living beings immortal.

 

There is a difference between the people walking on the streets and the ones who frequent a discussion forum to argue their beliefs over others.

 

Was he in fact, as you say, arguing his beliefs?

 

Sadly, I hope this doesn't happen soon. I wouldn't want the current model human to be the final model. Evolution still has a lot of work to do.

Well, this is the P&R forum...

 

Yes! and I'd still love to have adamantium claws and rapid cell regeneration! lol

 

Yeah... Sadly I doubt that we or any future generations will ever become mutants =[

 

I think your main problem is that you are having difficulty understanding the fact that no views are entitled to respect. What you are doing is treading a very fine line which could result in you "repspecting" every view. And imagine how that would work out for you.

I think what you want to say, but obviously don't have the courage to because it would result in you proving my point, is that religious views are entitled to automatic respect. That in a way is already obvious as you seem to want respect for his view that a magic man will send his to a magic land after he dies while at the same time suggesting I am not even entitled to express my view that it's complete bollocks.

Its just religious views which you assume are entitled to automatic respect, not the views of people disagreeing.
Double standard much?

 

The fact that no views are entitled to respect? Seriously, do you want to edit that and come up with something better?

You just don't get it, do you?
ANY views of an individual deserves automatic respect, UNTIL proven otherwise. My issue was simply you attacking him for having a different viewpoint than yours. Read the preceding posts, repeatedly if you must. It's a very simple point

You are really beginning to tire me with this repetitive, misleading point.

Not at all. Comprehension problem?

 

Not meaning to sound rude, but do you know what "entitled" means? Views can be respected, but aren't "entitled" to respect. None have an inherent right to respect just because they happen to be an opinion.

I disagree. You'd be so much better off not asking people to do something when you have neither the capacity or right to make them. i don't inherently respect all views just because someone managed to form them, you are just going to have to deal with that.

I'm sure i can't be the only person who has seen the blatant hypocrisy in you demanding i respect someone elses views when you aren't respecting my view... oh that's right, it's only religious views that are inherently entitled to respect in't it.

So tell us, if all views are entitled to respect, why aren't you respecting mine? My view is that a belief in a magical land full of dead people is infantile - Hold yourself to the same standards that you are demanding from everyone else and respect it!

You have got to be a theist to try and get away with that level of hypocrisy.

 

Of course you're not being rude.
So if we take your point as an absolute, there really isn't any point then for any sort of discourse between any intelligent beings, since their opinion is by default, not worth any respect. And incidentally, out of curiousity, in your book, who gets the right to predetermine or passes a judgment on whose view deserves respect?

I completely agree, although there is a huge line between asking and ordering. But do you, on the other hand, stand by this statement as well? Because to be honest, you are very nearly contradicting yourself here.

I am.

Why do you keep bringing religion into this?
And for the third or fourth time, the issue is not your views, but your unprovoked attack on his, belittling his belief simply because it differs from yours.

The first line is just a rewording of your previous paragraph.
As for your beliefs, did I even once raise an issue with it?
And it's rich hearing you talk about respect. And please, do me a favour. Don't question my integrity again.

That statement alone makes me question your fundamental understanding of atheism.
I guess not knowing my religious (or non religious, for that matter) beliefs is bugging you to no end, since it prevents an opening there.
Although fyi, my best friend is an atheist; but with a full understanding of what the 'a' in a-theism denotes.

 

Again, views aren't ENTITLED to respect. What part of that don't you understand? Their opinion may be worth respect and respect may be given to a view, but views aren't ENTITLED to respect just by the virtue of being a view.

The same people you claim should respect them.

And incidentally, out of "curiousity", do you respect the view that, say, black people are inherently lazy, that women should shut up and do as they are told and that children are property that can be bought and sold? After all, all views voiced by an individual deserve respect, right? If you don't respect these views, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

Your integrity is seriously in question if you want one type of view, coincidently a religious one, afforded automatic respect just by the virtue of the fact that someone holds it while you don't do the same for other views.

It's becoming clear why you didn't want to tell us what your religious views were, it would have blown appart your little rouse. The rouse of pretending to be for respect for opinions when in reality you are looking for critical protection of religious views.

 

This is becoming a little pathetic.
Either you're daft, or you don't read what is posted here. Which is it?

(i) Did I not state this in an earlier post:
"ANY views of an individual deserves automatic respect, UNTIL proven otherwise."
Is this in any way unclear to you? Why are we circling this point over and over again?


(ii) Instead of beating around the bush, dragging everything under the sun into this thread, twisting my words around every other way but the truth, learn some humility and apologize.

 

But you can't prove any of those opinions false. Prove that women should not shut up and do as they are told, or be forced to respect, by your own standards, the opinion that they should. See what a slippery slope your attempts to give religious views special protection has taken you down?

You'd have been better off just being honest and saying its just religious views, no doubt specifically christian ones, and even more specifically the christian ones you agree with, which should be immune from criticism and scrutiny. By claiming you want respect for all views you will find yourself having to respect all sorts of crazy bollocks which, on this forum, will have you respecting everything from the view that gays should be killed to the view that the devil planted fossils.

 

Shifting goalpost again are we?
For the umpteenth time, this is not about 'religious views' per se. This is about common respect and decency towards one another. And neither is it a matter of semantics, between views/opinions. It essentially boils down to acknowledging the right of another to express himself without being ridiculed for no reason.

As for proving false opinions, we are all able to exercise our intellect, moral values, experience and instinct to evaluate such opinions AFTER it has been expressed; not BEFORE, in a sweeping stereotypical demonstration of ridicule (there's the word again)

You have been harping on the religious angle for some many times, frankly, it borders on obsession. And now I suddenly am a Christian? lol. Go on, tell me which sect now. Anglican, Protestant, Catholicism? lol. Why stop there? I could be a Shia Muslim, for all you know. Or even a Hasidic Jew. But none of this matters - because that is not the point here.

Incredible. For the last time, I repeat - this is not about religion. My religious inclination is not the issue here - at no time was it used as a barometer, point, influence or even yardstick.

Your last sentence, again, is a rehash of your previous post which I have answered, and I do not wish to repeat myself.

Apologize.

ps: please do not reword another one of your earlier post.

 

lol. And the banned OP of this thread is still asking himself. What's the point of your lives? Why still debate on a pointless thread. hihihi.

 

From a purely evolutionary standpoint, we are all mutants.

 

I think you are a moron and a hypocrite, now this view deserves automatic respect until proven otherwise so don't have a go at me.

 

I expect no less from you, considering we have proven your opinions on the other thread, right? Still sore about that?