Why do you seem so concerned with ODP?

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by jjwill, Aug 15, 2006.

  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #181
    Here is one example:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=621336&postcount=1004

    There was 5 listings, after mentioning it in the post here, now it is only 1 listing, so everything looks fine now. ;)

    Here is another example:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=433544&postcount=121

    The first web site has gone from 4 to 1 listing and the last one has disappeared from DMOZ.

    But does this really mean that the number of links for different web sites in DMOZ is decreased? I don't think so. :rolleyes:

    ishfish, I really like to know your opinion about this, what do you think?
     
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  2. jjwill

    jjwill Peon

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    #182
    I know, lets just get rid of the adult branch at dmoz and all of your problems will be solved, not to mention a significant reduction in postings here. :D
     
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  3. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #183
    Not really, after that we can start on gambling, pharmacy, real estate and travel sites. "Senior" editors in DMOZ are very talented in many areas. ;)
     
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  4. popotalk

    popotalk Notable Member

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    #184
    Don't forget shopping.;)
     
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  5. brizzie

    brizzie Peon

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    #185
    Two comments on travel sites, given I had a spell taking some interest in them. First the affiliate status of many Internet only travel sites can be extremely difficult to detect and I doubt there were more than a handful of editors who took a deep enough interest to be able to spot them consistently. This is an industry way ahead of most editors' detection abilities. Second in some US cities the travel agencies listed are 50% or more affiliates as even if they are genuine walk in agents they earn a lot more in commission by turning over the website to one of a relatively small number of affiliates and the product list is so extensive that it is unlikely you would spot it from exactly what they are advertising. There is considerable evidence that at the time the sites were listed they were genuine and listable and have been hijacked in effect since listing. I came across it by accident, somewhere like Chicago I think but it could have been another city, went into the other listings and was astonished. It would have been a life's work to go through every single listing and again detection was not at all easy. So I would guess that a majority of travel agencies listed in Regional...US are in some form affiliates but no-one has the time, inclination, and/or detection skills to remove them. It is the nature of that particular trade but it is not an indication of corruption just a trend that beat DMOZ.
     
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  6. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #186
    Even if we imagine that this is correct, do you have any comment about my previous post:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1297588&postcount=181

    In an organization that uses abuse reporting as a map to cover up the tracks of abuse, why should anybody believe your explanation? ;)
     
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  7. Ivan Bajlo

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    #187
    Interesting practice, I've seen bunch of Croatian travel sites which are good old MFA crap, doorways, keywords spam, we haven't advance to this level yet. :D

    Most awol sites here are expired domains which become porn sites, one page use to belong to local church, good thing I know owner of local search engine and can instantly remove such sites from index. :cool:
     
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  8. popotalk

    popotalk Notable Member

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    #188
    Sorry brizzie, the word in the market right now for a travel site listing starts at $100 besides a normal website template of $300. That is in Regional : Localities alone.
    Example for this.
     
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    helleborine Well-Known Member

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    #189

    Splendid! Yet another reason for Google to dissociate itself from the ODP.
     
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  10. brizzie

    brizzie Peon

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    #190
    No, it is getting very boring commenting on the same stuff every five minutes so I thought commenting on travel sites would be more interesting.

    The first part of the sentence is your opinion, not a statement of fact, and the question in the second part - I don't particularly give a shit whether you believe me or not, I'm just stating what I found when editing travel sites.

    Zzzzzzzzzz. More unsubstantiated innuendo? Or firm evidence?
     
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  11. ishfish

    ishfish Peon

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    #191
    I'm not sure why you'd care what I think. I'll never be a meta or admin so my opinion means exactly squat.

    But since you asked, if I were in charge there would be a lot less abusive and crappy editors.
     
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  12. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #192
    OK, I play, what is your "opinion"?. Try to spin the facts in my post in any way that you like that at least remotely makes sense that abuse in DMOZ is not systematic and with the knowledge of "senior" editors. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. nebuchadrezzar

    nebuchadrezzar Peon

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    #193
    This is typical of your approach. You criticise the content of the directory, When it is fixed they accused of hiding abuse. What are they supposed to do leave shitty links in it just so they do not inccur the wrath of gworld?
     
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    #194
    Not my problem. Oh now I remember you are not an editor anymore so you cannot see what's going on. Tsk. Tsk. You must go back for clean up. :rolleyes:
     
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  15. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #195
    Because unlike other DMOZ apologists you are honest. I can discuss and disagree with you but I will not wonder about your motives. In my opinion, you can be wrong but that is your opinion and not because you lack integrity or are a liar. :)

    Well, neb, it is enough to say that you are everything that ishfish isn't. Why the editor was not dealt with?
     
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  16. nebuchadrezzar

    nebuchadrezzar Peon

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    #196
    You obviously believe that gworld has got the evidence. So why are you so keen to protect all these corrupt metas? Why don't you want him to release it?
     
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  17. brizzie

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    #197
    There is no possible answer to any question that gworld will not turn into "evidence" of abuse, cover-up, corruption, meta conspiracy, and Martians taking over the Earth. In the gworld world no-one is capable of making a mistake, so any listing that is not spot on is clearly unmistakable corruption and since every editor has made mistakes, every editor must be corrupt. There is no hope...
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #198
    In apologists world, listing doorway and affiliate pages against DMOZ guideline is not abuse but "exception" and "some" editors who continually list deep links to their own sites are not corrupt but just simply making mistakes. :rolleyes:

    How many such mistakes an editor should make before it is dealt with, 10,100 or 1000? :rolleyes:
     
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  19. nebuchadrezzar

    nebuchadrezzar Peon

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    #199
    Firstly you are assuming that no action was taken. Secondly, as you know, ODP rules prohibit us from discussing this in detail.
     
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    #200
    for me even I am new here, but I really don't care about DMOZ, there are a lot of works I have to do before think about this directory.

    My mates paid to be listed in DMOZ, so the secret is MONEY. when you get it you get everything.
     
    ottodo, Aug 21, 2006 IP