Ten years ago my opinion on this would have been all across the board, however 2 years ago my best friend died and my life changed as he constantly let me know he was still around. I'm talking IM sessions starting up with his image, our song playing on the radio (like they were having a Jon B marathon), and overpowering dreams to let me know things that couldn't be said when he was here. I'm am not talking out of body experiences, I'm talking reality and so are hundreds and thousands of others who have written on the subjects. His death has in fact changed my life, as I started on a quest for knowledge of what happens when someone dies. For the first time in my life I had to know what that meant. For those of you interested in my path, I started with: The Celestine Prophecy Talking to Heaven Letters from the Afterlife (written in 1914 and still sold in bookstores today) Many Lives, Many Masters The Power of Now among others. My thirst for knowledge has been quenched, and although I continue to "learn" in 2 years I have found peace and understanding regarding "life" that extends well beyond what most people will achieve in 10 lifetimes. I rarely try to convince people that I am right about spirits (the life which lives on after death), and if you don't agree with me, that's fine too. I thank the starter of this thread for asking the question - perhaps someone else's life will be changed because of this as well.
Nobody is saying it was an accident, evolution through natural selection is not accidental. I personnally can't stand religious people in general because they believe in something without evidence, they mistake themselves. I'm ok for people believing and not saying anything, but as soon as you open your mouth to tell me anything about religion I cannot restrain myself from putting things right.
This is how the religious work wwwSENSERELYcom, They misrepresent claims made, evidence found and beliefs had in order to justify their own belief. dgridley says he doesn't believe "creation" was an "accident" knowing full well that nobody else does either. So to justify his belief that a magic man done it, when such a belief is contrary to the evidence, he has to misrepresent the claims made by people who follow the evidence, And if that doesn't work they try to claim that the evidence doesn't exist. Dishonesty is their main defence. They know that being honest and believing "god done it" aren't compatible so they have to sacrifice either their integrity or their faith. Those who sacrifice their integrity become creationists, Lying to children about science, and those who sacrifice their faith become atheists.
read A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke you can learn more about gods from him http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/clarke_19_2.html
Interesting... Thanks Yes, there has to be some thing to explain this. I believe there is a Soul. I desperately want to believe in it. Thank you for giving a list of books. It would be very interesting indeed.
I believe in the possibility of a force, not unlike star wars, that permeates the universe. I have done too many "mind control" experiments to totally discount the possibilities of uncanny events.
I have a movie on "mind control" and stuff.. "Captive Minds". I haven't seen the entire movie, though. But it is revealing. Human mind is very weak, and can be easily controlled. Governments around the world are using these techniques, and using propaganda to control people.
Just do a search on "barack obama" at youtube to see the evidence of how easily the human mind can be controlled. Look at the thousands of remarks... sickening.
well, for you to exist, there must exist what it takes for you to exist. there is no doubt that you exist and hence there must exist what it takes for you to exist. since you exist in space and time, what it takes for you to exist must exist outside space and time and this is God.
We believe in god , because it is our creator , Do you think that this Univers have created itself ? It must have a creator , and he is God .
so far, so good, but meaningless you are bringing this up, doesn't follow from the previous at all. another F in logic 101.
I realized the poll numbers show more people believe in God than not. It's a good thing, I was going to start converting by the sword around here.
It just isn't logical for people to believe that we're "just here" and that a divine being did not create us. All because we've never seen him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
You obviously don't know how logic works then. Nobody says absence of evidence is evidence of absence. What people say is it's pretty silly to believe in something where there is no evidence of it.
You're obviously not a religious person as far as I can see. The evidence of there being a "god" or "divine being" is all around us if you open your eyes. Where do you think the soul that operates your body came from? Let me guess, your answer is probably "nowhere". Everything that is around you is an invention of somebody who we don't fully understand.
1) You don't know how evidence works either. evidence is a piece of data or an observation that supports a conclusion. What piece of evidence or data do you have, specifically, That supports the idea of a god? And remember, Arguments from design don't work. Just because you don't personally understand something it doesn't make it evidence for a god. 2) a soul doesn't operate my body. it's operated by electrical impulses and chemistry. If you want to still claim that this soul exists tell me why we would need one and tell me where it is. Making statements of belief is not an argument. You have to explain why you think all these things, not simply that you do think them.
Well, you can try to spread your atheist beliefs all you want but anyone with intelligence isn't going to buy it.
Quite the opposite; Studies show that the more intelligent someone is the more likely they are of being an atheist. Studies also show that on average atheists have a higher IQ. So in actual fact, "anyone with intelligence" very much does "buy it" and it's only those who 1) believe everything they are told and 2) don't understand the first thing about science who think that somewhere along the line some kind of magic has to have been involved.. As for spreading atheism, Why would i want to do that? What i do want to spread is the idea that beliefs aren't entitled to special treatment just because they happen to be particularly important to some people. Religious people have to get with the program, it's 2008. Sure you are entitled to opinions and you are entitled to voice them in public, But what you aren't entitled to is protection from criticism and requests for evidence. Sure, believe in an invisible man in the sky if you want, believe in fairies and santa too if it makes you happy. But don't tell me things are right unless you have something other than logical fallacies and wishful thinking to back it up with.