Why do muslim follow the sunna more than the Koran?

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  1. astire

    astire Peon

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    #101
    I will come to each of the point later but about the authenticity of Hadith, those are categorized with their level of Authenticity. there are lot of hadith which are categorized as week or discarded.
    But for the hadith those are categorized as authentic are considered as authentic and there is no contradiction on them. Shia sect is an exception.
    Remember, the Hadith experts not only checked for the chain of refrence fo reach hadith but also checked if the hadith is in over all accordance with the Islam's other teachings. If they found a hadith, even with good references, and that Hadith is not in accordance with the overall teaching of Islam perceived from Quran and other majority of Authentic HAdith, that will be discard.
     
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  2. bfebrian

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    #102
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  3. alaska88

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    #103
    Laughable? why is that? any well educated muslims know that it playing an dlistening to music is forbidden in islam except fo rthe tambourine.
    same applied to playing chess/cards/lotto as it is similar to gambling. Because half of the muslim population do it doesn't make it halal you know.
    I know that some hadiths have been fabricated, but music and gambling are well known to be forbidden.
     
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    #104
    The points about the fart etc are laughable. You raised some very valid points.
    The ruling of Listening to music differs between scholars. The majority consider Music to be haram. (as you mentioned the only instrument allowed is the tambourine)
     
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  5. alaska88

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    #105

    Yes I do agree that many are laughable but still they are true
     
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  6. bfebrian

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    #106
    :D
    :D
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    Many indonesian or malaysian well educated muslim use songs, pop songs even rock songs to spread muslims.
    http://www.mtvasia.com/News/200510/21012692.html
    http://www.amazon.com/Music-Islam-Vol-15-Indonesia/dp/B000000805
    http://www.mtvasia.com/News/200510/19012673.html
    they certainly not using only tambourine.:rolleyes:

    stop the BS
     
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  7. alaska88

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    #107
    So because these people use musical instruments it's good enough for you to believe it's allowed?

    Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 69 :: Hadith 494
    Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:

    that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.

    Muslim :: Book 24 : Hadith 5279
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.

    Muslim :: Book 24 : Hadith 5279
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.


    Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 4909
    Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:

    Salam ibn Miskin, quoting an old man who witnessed AbuWa'il in a wedding feast, said: They began to play, amuse and sing. He united the support of his hand round his knees that were drawn up, and said: I heard Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud) say: I heard the apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: Singing produces hypocrisy in the heart.



    Who do you follow?
     
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  8. bfebrian

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    #108
    well, I can show you more if you want.
    but to bad, most of them in indonesian, so I try my best to translate it.

    there are plenty of it.
    Most indonesian muslim follow imam hannafiah or imam syafi'i.

    who I follow? My Imam of course.
     
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  9. alaska88

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    #109

    Well, in Islam the only legal instrument is called a "daff" in Arabic. What people will commonly translate it to is "drum" but tambourine is more accurate. So long as there is no jingle, with the bells or whatever on the sides, its fine. But only on certain occasions: weddings, a birth of a child, etc.

    The human voice, in Islam is preferred amongst many things. Songs go under different categories. If its not Islamic, it is considered vain and useless. There are some very good songs that are both Islamic and entertaining. Listed are some.

    Piano and guitar are both illegal. Despite what might be an enthustastic opposition, it is still wrong nontheless. Scholars unanimously agree that instruments like piano and guitar are illegal.

    Enjoy!

    Source(s):

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=bln0fuw4-ve...
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vnaiarpyjvu...
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=uukxuw2fgeg...


    So is your iman better than Bukhari?
     
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  10. bfebrian

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    #110
    wow... another islam expert... learn from google.
    knowing one or two hadits really can make you an expert... while some people who learn islam all they life can't compare to you :rolleyes:

    enjoy reading... this
    specially the last part that talk about haram

    popular quote among muslim
     
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  11. The Webmaster

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    #111
    And how does one assure that the 'teacher' himself is not guided by 'Satan'?
    Is there any sure shot method to judge the teacher?
    How to know whatever he is teaching is true, and the word of 'Allah' not 'Satan'.. :confused:
     
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    #112
    Right, and getting information from both good and bad side perspective is Satan's work, it's better to let the person be guided by a biased teacher rather than thinking and judging for themselves if they indeed want to go into it or not.
     
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    #113
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    Originally Posted by astire View Post
    Islam has not a bad name at all.

    what else can the DevilHellz say?
     
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  14. DevilHellz

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    #114
    I can say alot of things. What do you want to hear ?
     
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    #115
    Say "poopy". That word always gets a smile.
     
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    #116
    that's true,
    than how we know the word jesus is not satan, or maybe something bigger... how we know that God is not satan him self?
    or worst, what if satan is true god, while god is true satan? :rolleyes:
    good for you, because you an atheist :cool:
     
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    #117
    That's not a bad point: it could stand to reason that, if the history of these organized religions actually supported the modern notion of a supreme being (they most certainly don't) the "gods" themselves are devils - wolves in sheep's clothing if you will.

    Religion is one big vat of craziness. Why bother wading through something that means nothing?
     
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  18. bfebrian

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    #118
    but... :rolleyes:

    what if that something really means something? :rolleyes:

    what if god really exist, that must be very sucks for atheist. :D

    then for god believers,
    what if jews are correct, and others religions are wrong?
    or what if christians are correct, and all non christians will burn in hell...
    or last thing is... what if muslim are correct, and they alone will go to heaven?

    problem is... we never know.

    not until we experience it our self by death, but it kind a too late.

    so that when the thing called faith come in.

    we believe, some believe with reasons, some believe blind fully.
     
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    #119
    Yes, How do you know that? Just because you keep hearing that God is good.. That religious book is from God, That religion is God made religion.
    While 100% of people do not even understand the book completely?
    Every verse in those books is arguable and open to 100s of interpretation.
    Almost in every religion people interpret thing differently. Almost in every religion people teach things differently. So how one can be sure what is right and what is wrong?

    And I'm an agnostic, not atheist..
    But what if every religion is wrong? and there is no afterlife?
    Every god believer wasted his time praying for something that doesn't exist?
    And even if God exists, what if no-one understands what he actually wants?
     
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