I'll have to check but I do not believe Oregon was responsible for: - - "There is a reason we have almost no manufacturing base in this country, and it has a lot to do with minimum wage and labor unions." - - another good one: "Exactly. When the U.S. government makes it more difficult for American companies to do business internationally, they make it easier for foreign companies to supplant them in the market." - The $150.00 fee to file is an outrage but is endemic in our state where they cut taxes but in doing so raise nearly all fees, slash services, etc. where it is blatantly obvious nothing at all has been accomplished particularly finding a solution....They all prey on Sunday though in state gov't.
I operate small businesses in more than one state. Without a doubt one of the largest PITA's is the fact that our businesses have to adjust to a lot of cr@ppy little different state laws. It takes a lot of time to deal with the specifics of each cr@ppy little rule, each one different than the others. Give us one set of rules, we will abide by them, work to make a profit, and not have to waste so much time on the specifics of every cr@ppy penny ante law set in every little hamlet.
Maybe if small businesses formed some sort of national union they could pool their funds and bribe politicians together? The left' new Axis of Evil is Fox News, The Chamber of Commerce, and the Tea Partiers. Perhaps if the Chamber gave out more bribes the government would create less anti-business legislation.
Try doing business overseas. I've used the line, "This is how we do things in the states" before. It went over like a fart in church. Of course we could always do away with States rights all together....
I wish the guys here who hate small businesses would just tell us why, but instead they come in and complain about things in ways it shows their ignorance on the subject. Some of us were not born with a silver spoon or handed everything in life (gworld) and some of us actually have started businesses ourselves that were not handed to them either. If you have never ran a business then maybe you should try before you reply, that way you don't look so stupid. (Collage courses don't count as actually running a business.)
What I find bizarre is how debunked could put a totally untrue spin to the OP. I like small businesses. My grandparents and father ran small businesses. I worked in them as a kid. I invested in small businesses. I'm hands on operating them now with partners. I don't call myself liberal but I definitely run somewhat left of center. I focus on making them make money. We deal with the problems. I don't whine about labor costs. Its a market. It is what it is. If I can't make the business work with current labor then the business shouldn't be around. You either make a profit or not. Big businesses have more pull with federal and state govts. You want pull with a govt? Start spreading money around to elected officials. That will get you pull whether you are a liberal, conservative, polka dotted or have four heads. The thing that works best is that if I can incentivize the workers so that they improve their performances the business works better, everyone makes more money, the customers are pleased, we get good word of mouth referrals. That has worked. OTOH, when we have a cr@ppy staff that doesn't give a sh1t, and makes little money, and we don't put our hands into it to improve the situation the whole thing goes to cr@p. Right now I have some of both. I'm working to improve the losers. Time will tell.
Seems a little persecution complex in this post - most small businesses learn early on it is cut throat competition amongst themselves to beat for survival with the gov't picking up the $$$$, limited resources not hate is the bane of most small businesses.
Maybe not hate, just love of concentrated power and limited alternatives that is responsible for those limited resources.
... clearly a conservative created this thread. Minimum wages are a good thing. So are social welfare programs. They're ways the country protects its indigent population. Egalitarians would have you believe that society has a duty to ensure the social well-being of its people, an example would be the current health-care bill; it simply goes to show that egalitarians believe that we should all be insured some rights such as the right to medical attention when there are doctors available to save lives. These rights cost money, money that you clearly can't charge the indigent so you charge those who are clearly better off. Usually larger business will have a higher tax burden, egalitarians would be OK with this... Then you have those who are egotistical, they believe everybody should be for themselves, often times these people are in the lower 99% of the income class (simply because statistics would say it must be so when roughly 40% of the USA holds this mindset), but it also includes a large portion of the upper 1%. Often times these people (now this is in my opinion) have had their beliefs swayed at a young age or are simply misinformed by the media or those around them because their beliefs often times result in less benefits for themselves such as public schools, roads, etc.,. Egotistical behaviors are not those that are natural to human-being since hording is not a practice that existed during the hunter-gatherer stage of our evolution. Basically, capitalism and corporate greed are an evolution backwards and the little we tax corporations and business is hardly fair when you compare how many people lack medical attention or a full belly while others are riding in their Ferrari's and Lamborghini's. Small businesses IMO are not overtaxed, being that I run a small business myself I can say this because although I have to pay taxes and fee's to the state I do enjoy a great public school system, so-so alright roads, and soon-to-be a health-care bill that, if forbid my source of income is lost, I don't have to worry about an inadequacy health-care. You, being a conservative I'm assuming support a strong military, I don't, but who's taxes do you expect to pay for that... The bottom 30% is barely getting by, you got to tax someone and small business has more money, and big business has even more money. They are all taxed according to their income brackets. We have quite a conservative taxing system that seems to tax you even if your in poverty but manages to lax their taxes (comparative to other countries) on small business, medium business, big business, and all business. So comparative to other countries we pay less and we get less. If you dig that, then you should be happy. There is a need for tax. That's a fact. There is a need for putting in order who pay more or less of that tax. That's a fact. The highest burden falls on big business, medium business, then small business, and ordinary people (in terms of income, not exactly in terms of classification). That's a fact. Those who make more need to be taxed more. I'm sure most of us can agree with this. In general, small business makes more then you mom, dad, sister, brother (unless they run a business). That's a fact. Hence, small business is taxed slightly higher then people. Medium business even more-so. And large businesses the most. That's a fact. Where I have a problem is with you rational in thinking that liberals hate small business. I for one think we should be taxed accordingly to how comfortable we are, living in excess while others are starving doesn't make sense. The USA and its taxes system doesn't reflect this egalitarian mindset so... why you complaining? That's right, because your an egotistical person and you are never satisfied. Good for you, it's widely excepted by society so don't feel too bad about yourself, except of course when you run into a small business hating liberal such as myself who just so happens to run a small business.
The problem is that some losers with no education, expertise, experience or money decide to become businessman and rich and when they fail as expected then they complain about $150 tax filing fee.
Oh... right. Government exists to manufacture rights and then secure them... at the expense of the negative rights it was originally supposed to protect. Let's make food a right! Especially fudge ice-cream! Probably because hording wasn't made possible yet given it was the hunter-gatherer era... It was the practice of hording that made civilization possible in the first place. Marxists (or egalitarians, whatever works for you) are obsessed with the paleolithic age, which is why they hate capitalism because it means technological advance and improved living standards. I also find it funny that you regard the paleolithic age as our only natural state. Certain parts of evolution that you don't like are regarded as artificial. You're right, the hunter-gatherer is where progress is at... And the wealth disparity is also not as great as most other countries that follow the same anti-capitalist ideology you're espousing. Cause you don't have a right to my property. What isn't natural is for an organism to put its own needs below others. Grrr! Those darn egoists, always trying to improve their life so they have the capacity to help others. If only they'd pick berries and catch fish with spears like us, life would be fair!
Clearly some feel its OK for there to be a (what I think is a disgustingly) large disparity of wealth where 1% own 99% and 99% own 1% and then there are those who feel if resources exist to survive, then survival should be fulfilled first (where the government comes in) and you can still get your shiny Ferrari but you'll have to work ~x% harder to get one because ensuring the basic survival of all and also a strong public sector for job and economic stability as well as having basic government services comes first. Better yet, forget about any tax increase and just reduce defense spending, that will take a 12% load of your taxes if it was just cut in half (http://www.marketobservation.com/blogs/media/blogs/r/US_Government_Spending_2004.jpg). Back to the OPs post, small businesses are (in relation to other countries) not overly taxed at all and if you understood where taxes go, could potentially go, and potentially not go you'd understand that taxes are necessary and they are in fact un-proportional but not in the sense you would argue, see my 1%/99% argument above. If you (a conservative, I presume) want lower taxes then you should hope these wars end, it costs more then any healthcare bill, all our countries welfare (times 10x), and education (times 20x). Edit: My whole war argument came from looking at ncz_nate's avatar of a lady in a vail showing her tits which reminded me how we're in Iraq/Afg because of like-minded people such as yourself voting. I can't say that you shouldn't have that right, rather that maybe our public education system failed due to budget cuts... My point is, I don't like to pay any taxes I don't have to either, I think we just disagree on what we have to be spending on. Call it different ideals, beliefs, whatever. At the end of the day I know my beliefs and ideals are logical, I just hope everyone else here feels the same before they post because these are public boards and I've heard some out-there stuff.
Glad you're capable of making statistics up. The last point we agree on.. We're at war because guys like me like muslim women? I'm afraid you don't know me sir, as I guarantee I'm more anti-war than you are. Budget cuts aren't the reason. If it were spent on the right stuff we wouldn't need so many taxes. If laws didn't favor market restriction we wouldn't need so many "public goods" and thus spending/taxes to compensate.
It's pretty easy to manipulate the dependent, Debunked. The big corporations do a great job instigating the lower left to focus on what they see, and what they see is the small business, not the big corporations which make most of the profit.
Sure they are. In the same way Ice Cream is a good thing, in small quantities. Thanks for sharing your opinion. I like Ice Cream too! I like your flippant use of the word "rights". I think every US citizen has a "right" to own and drive a Ferrari. Thankfully, our founding fathers defined our "rights" in several documents, and let me assure you, free health care was not on the list. From here you wander into how to pay for these non-rights, but you need to stop yourself and realize, your entire argument is based on the lie that these were "rights" in the first place. Regarding taxes/taxation, you also have that all screwed up as well. The group who pays the most in taxes in America is....... the poor. That's right, the poor. Everyone likes to focus on income tax alone, leaving out all of our excise taxes, but when you lump in things like the cigarette tax, booze taxes, gasoline tax, etc, the poor pay more as a percentage of their income, followed by the middle class, followed by the wealthy, who pay the least. Its hard to even lump businesses into the category because most small businesses pay no income tax at all (they always disburse their profit prior to end of tax year). There are some taxes that are unique to owning and operating a business, such as payroll taxes, social security, workers compensation, business licenses, state minimum tax, etc. Many of these taxes are targeted at creating the new "rights" you feel everyone is entitled to, and make it harder for there to be any profit for said small business to distribute at tax year end, which is what this post is all about. What do you think the new 8% per employee payroll tax will do to businesses who currently do not provide health insurance to their employees? That is about as anti-business anti-middle class as you get, and possibly the single largest tax hike on the middle class in memorable history. Classic liberal mindset. Why don't American voters back liberal ideology? Don't they realize there is a free lunch in it for them? Perhaps you haven't seen the movie Precious, but I thought it made a very interesting point about the American welfare system. It is a point that has been made over and over and over again by numerous scientific studies. What is given for free isn't appreciated. The Democrat every one loved to tout during the Bush years was Bill Clinton, and he was one of the biggest slashers(reformers) of welfare. Welfare, in all its forms ("free" health care), is not only detrimental to the productivity and wealth of the nation the nation as a whole. More often than not, it is detrimental to those it aims to help. If you want to know why Americans are opposed to socialism, it has a lot more to do with our culture and where we come from, than anything coming from the media outlets like CNN who spend hours each day explaining to us why the Health Care program is good for us. Now if you could just manage to kill off American culture, maybe you could transform this country into the European style welfare state you desire. That might necessitate the use of genocide, but hey, its a worthy cause, right? Wouldn't backwards evolution take us back to Hunter Gatherer? Maybe they should call liberals Regressives instead of Progressives. Not yet. Our current administration is certainly pushing an "egalitarian" agenda. With trillions of dollars in new debt based spending, they may have assured the necessity of a tax system in the near future that much closer resembles your Marxist ideal. You'd say congratulations, but you shouldn't wonder why people are pissed off. The 36% of our nation that thinks socialism is a good form of government has never lived in a socialist government. By the way, I appreciate your naked and frank honesty. People need a clear picture of what they oppose, and why.
Why do you bother posting in threads, when what you post is all based on some assumptions because you can't read? Did the business fail? Did I say it did? Do I not have education, expertise or experience? You really are one that has no idea do you. You never had to create something from scratch, everything was handed to you by your daddies. Elitism at its best. Is it time for your facial?
He never had to come up with a solution, you see he lives off what other people have done. All the free time that he has only gets him on the FBI's watch list, so now he can't even visit the USA anymore.
Agreed, the indigent are taxed un-proportionality compared to the rich. No argument there. Tell that to the OP who's complaining about taxes for small businesses. Of course it is... its "The right to life,..." - United States Declaration of Independence. It's why we have welfare, food stamps, social security, and now health care. Government is in place to above insure the security of our nation, the health and well-being of its people, the stability of its economy, etc., etc., but health care is definitely one of the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS, the right to life, only when this right is satisfied can some people pursue liberty and happiness. The whole argument here is if food is rotting and doctors offices are empty while there are people in this country who need access to both and are dieing because of lack of access to these resources then the government is clearly not doing a good job of insuring the peoples right to life. If the resources were not available then we could possibly have a reason to argue, the very fact that the resources DO exist means the government is doing a poor job of distributing them. This is Regression, not Progression. How's being a conservative in San Fransisco btw? I'm a liberal in Orange County and if you look at voter statistics, OC is almost as different in political mindset to me as SF is to you. SF though... Obviously a very liberal city, I always enjoy visiting, very pretty... But that's neither here nor there.