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Why do I believe Muhammad is not a true prophet.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Truth777, Jul 9, 2009.

  1. #1
    First he broke the God's commandment.

    "YOU SHALL NOT KILL"


    Everyone knows that he led numerous wars for about 10 years and that he is personally responsible for the killings/murder of at least 600 people (instead of sparing the lifes of the captives he gave them at the mercy of butcher.) Even young boys who just got pubic hiar growing were killed. THIS WAS NOT FROM GOD, THIS WAS AN ACT OF A BLOODY BUTCHER.

    "..... After a continuous siege of 25 days, the Banu Qurayza Jews surrendered to Prophet Muhammad unconditionally. Muhammad ordered that the men be handcuffed, while the women and children were isolated in confinement. Thereupon Al-Aws tribe interceded begging the Prophet to be lenient towards them. Muhammad suggested that Sa‘d bin Mu‘adh, a former ally, be deputed to give verdict about them, and they agreed.

    Sa’d bin Mu’adh was the leader of a large Medinan tribe, the Aws (or Aus), some of whom favored old alliances with the Jews. The leader was an elderly man who was seriously wounded in the battle of trench (Source: Ibn Ishaq, p. 462; Watt, Muhammad at Medina, pp. 188-89; 214-17). Sa’d gave the verdict that, "that all the able-bodied (adult) male persons belonging to the tribe should be killed, women and children taken prisoners and their wealth divided among the Muslim fighters." Compassionate Prophet Muhammad answers in endorsement of this: “You have given the judgement of Allah above the seven heavens...”, (Source: Ibn Ishaq, pp. 463-64; Tabari vol. 8, p. 34).

    To separate adult men from the pre-pubescent boys, the youngsters were examined and if they had grown any pubic hair, it was enough to behead them (Abu Dawud; see Ibn Ishaq, p. 466)..

    Sunan Abu-Dawud-Book 38, No. 4390

    Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
    “I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.”


    http://islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/Muhammad-Killing-Jews-of-Banu-Quraiza-and-Khaybar.htm



    IF THIS EVIDENCE IS TRUE IT IS MORE THAN CLEAR THAT MUHAMMAD WAS NOT A TRUE PROPHET. And this is only one of the many wars he led.

    We know that a true religion calls for "people to love each other not to kill each other" right?

    For muslims this could be an insulting, but what about the lives ot the murdered children?


    Second.

    Mohammad at the age of 51 married the 6 year old Aisha. WHAT KIND OF AN EXAMPLE IS THIS FOR OTHER MEN TO FOLLOW?
    This example will do nothing, but put little young girls in danger for as long as men think that it is OK with God young girls who just probably got their first period to marry forcefully a man who they may even hate. And since they believe Muhammad is a prophet and that is OK with God such marriage, many men with low morals will be molesting young girls and nobody will say nothing about that.

    How fair is this to women? God is God not just to men but to women as well.
    And we know that God is fair.

    Third example.

    Mohammad ordered his son in law to devorce his wife so he (mohammad) can mary her?

    Come on, what kind of an example is this?

    This brakes another one from the 10 commandments which say:


    10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

    http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/the-ten-commandments.html

    Muhammad most likely saw the beauty of his step's son's wife and decided to take her for himself.

    Another issue with Muhammad, how come it is fair in God for a man to have more than one wife?

    God made out of Adam's ribs only one woman - Eve, and that's it.

    One could go on and on and find proof after proof, but what I put is enough to make my point that Muhamad is not a prophet sent from God.

    God DOES EXIST, AND HIS KINGDOM DOES EXIST, but many of the Mohammad's beliefs and commandments are just Mohammad's beliefs and commandments.


    If Islam was the best religion so should be the muslim societies, so should be the muslims.
    Are the muslims the best people on earth, the most loving, the most humane, the most noble, the most honest, the most peaceful and non violent on earth?
    Not yet.


    May God bless them to become one day. May the muslims live in peace and love with everybody.

    (This is not intended to hurt the feelings of anybody, it is just my personal belief.)
     
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    But not everyone knows that he was attacked and oppressed for 13 years.

    Not everyone knows that his crime was that he called for The One God, the Creator Glory be to Him.

    His crime was that he rejected to worship stones, idols and other creatures.

    His crime was that he stand firmly against fictions and falsehood.



    Children were not killed, only adults who are like the Israeli solider Jelad Shaleet and other young soliders who fought in Gaza.

    Usually those who bring this story to insult Islam, hide the context and the crime of the jews.

    If I assigned an agreement with you (as a government) to defend the country, then I helped and supported the enemy against you and your country, I will be put to death.

    Why did you ignore the fact that since the prophet (peace be upon him) came to Madinah, he made an agreement with the jews that they themselves were satisfied with as it was fair enough, and throughout the history there is no man gave the jews their right as prophet Mohammad, prayer and peace be upon him and his family, did.

    O ye who believe! Remember Allah's favour unto you when there came against you hosts, and We sent against them a great wind and hosts ye could not see. And Allah is ever Seer of what ye do. (9)

    When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when eyes grew wild and hearts reached to the throats, and ye were imagining vain thoughts concerning Allah. (10)

    There were the believers sorely tried, and shaken with a mighty shock. (11)

    And when the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, were saying: Allah and His messenger promised us naught but delusion. (12)

    And when a party of them said: O folk of Yathrib! There is no stand (possible) for you, therefor turn back. And certain of them (even) sought permission of the Prophet, saying: Our homes lie open (to the enemy). And they lay not open. They but wished to flee. (13)

    If the enemy had entered from all sides and they had been exhorted to treachery, they would have committed it, and would have hesitated thereupon but little. (14)

    And verily they had already sworn unto Allah that they would not turn their backs (to the foe). An oath to Allah must be answered for. (15) Say: Flight will not avail you if ye flee from death or killing, and then ye dwell in comfort but a little while. (16)

    Say: Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth harm for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah. (17)

    Allah already knoweth those of you who hinder, and those who say unto their brethren: "Come ye hither unto us!" and they come not to the stress of battle save a little, (18)

    Being sparing of their help to you (believers). But when the fear cometh, then thou (Muhammad) seest them regarding thee with rolling eyes like one who fainteth unto death. Then, when the fear departeth, they scald you with sharp tongues in their greed for wealth (from the spoil). Such have not believed. Therefor Allah maketh their deeds fruitless. And that is easy for Allah. (19)

    They hold that the clans have not retired (for good); and if the clans should advance (again), they would fain be in the desert with the wandering Arabs, asking for the news of you; and if they were among you, they would not give battle, save a little. (20)

    Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much. (21)

    And when the true believers saw the clans, they said: This is that which Allah and His messenger promised us. Allah and His messenger are true. It did but confirm them in their faith and resignation. (22)

    Of the believers are men who are true to that which they covenanted with Allah. Some of them have paid their vow by death (in battle), and some of them still are waiting; and they have not altered in the least; (23)

    That Allah may reward the true men for their truth, and punish the hypocrites if He will, or relent toward them (if He will). Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (24)

    And Allah repulsed the disbelievers in their wrath; they gained no good. Allah averted their attack from the believers. Allah is ever Strong, Mighty. (25)

    And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some. (26)

    And He caused you to inherit their land and their houses and their wealth, and land ye have not trodden. Allah is ever Able to do all things. (27)


    You know how just you were with the jews, yes? or shall I remind you?

    We would not attack Jesus , peace be upon him and his mother, by quoting some words from the Bible without mentioning the context (historical and textual).

    And we would not expose the history of Christianity to attack him as well, even if the Christian say that Jesus is that who inspire their churches.

    We don't attack or hate the prophets peace be upon them.

    We work according to our way that is High (prophet Mohammad PAPBUH) and you work according to your way, and your way is not Jesus PAPBUH, your way is satan.

    Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. (136)

    And if they believe in the like of that which ye believe, then are they rightly guided. But if they turn away, then are they in schism, and Allah will suffice thee (for defence) against them. He is the Hearer, the Knower. (137)


    The above verses describe the situation that the muslims with the prophet, peace be upon him, were in.
    The palistinian people in Gaza had the same situation when the jews attacked them few months ago.

    They were reciting these verses and they were not defeated, their promise is Paradise and they shall enter it by Allah's Mercy.
     
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    Didn't god pretty much wipe out the Earth's population with his great flood? Does that not make him the world's greatest mass murderer?
     
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    Man you keep going the old ways, IT IS NOT ABOUT THAT THE JEWS WE WRONG, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN.

    IT IS ABOUT THE BARBARITY AND BRUTALITY THAT COMES OUT OF MOHAMMAD! He is supposed to be the most loving and forgiving person!

    IT IS ABOUT HIS BEHAVIOUR, SINCE HE CLAIMS TO BE MESSANGER.

    Here is more to the foolish excuses to justify his actions:


    "....Banu Qurayza’s Massacre supported by Merciful Allah:

    Evidences from Quranic verses are very clear and surprisingly emphatic. Allah actually celebrated this slaughter and enslavement of Banu Qurayza Jews. That these verses were received during/after the Banu Qurayza incident were supported by most Quranic translators like Maoulana A. Yousuf Ali, Hazrat Maulana mufti Muhammad Shafi, Maulana Muhiuddin Khan etc, and of course, by the most famous Islamic scholar Ibn Ishaq. Merciful Allah promptly sent Qur’anic verses during that period of Banu Qurayza war to justify the cruelty of Prophet Muhammad. Here are some Quranic gems which speak the entire truth about Banu Qurayza massacre:

    Quran-33:25- “Allah turned back the unbelievers [Meccans and their allies] in a state of rage, having not won any good, and Allah spared the believers battle. Allah is, indeed, Strong and Mighty.”

    Quran-33:26- “And He brought those of the People of the Book [Jewish people of Banu Qurayza] who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts, some of them you slew (beheaded) and some you took prisoners (captive)”

    Quran-33:27- “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews]

    Quran-8:67—“It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.”

    Quran-8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

    These above Quranic verses revealed some unpleasant truths:

    The verses: 33:25-27 were revealed to describe Banu Qurayza incident and clearly talking about the unbelievers (Quresh pagans, and their allies Jews of Banu Quraiza).

    The verse 33:25 told about the retreat of the great force of unbelievers without any success; verse-26 told about how later the traitor Jewish tribe banu Quraiza was raided and seized and Jewish people were terrorized by Muhammad’s army; and verse-33: 27 told—how by the judgement of Sa’d ibn Muaz all the men were slaughtered and women and children were captivated. And Jewish land and property were taken as Booty….Sa’d delivered his justice according to Bible; hence Muhammad said—“your judgenet was like God.”

    Allah permitted the enslavement and beheading of Jews, so any Muslim familiar with the background of this verse knows that beheading as such has been assimilated into the Quran. The word q-t-l in verse-33:26 means slaughter. What is so troubling about the verse is that it seems Allah (Himself) celebrated the "terror" that He threw into the Jews’ hearts. Indeed, when Abu Lubabah the mediator approached the Jews during negotiations, the women and children were crying. Allah of course heavily terrorized them. What a Merciful Allah always resided inside the sleeve of Prophet Muhammad!

    The Prophet Muhammad had expelled two other Jewish tribes (Qaynuqa and Nadir) from Medina, so he could have done the same with the Qurayza—as indeed Banu Quryza Jews begged for mercy and requested to let them leave Medina. But the prophet for humanity (?) declined this merciful and humane option.

    Quranic Tafsir supported Banu Qurayza massacre:

    Maulana A. Yousuf Ali stated: “The men of the Quraiza were slain; the women were sold as captives of war (booty); and their lands and properties were distributed or divided among the Muhajirs (Yousuf Ali’s tafsir for Sura Ahzab)”.

    Maulana Mufti Muhammad Shafi) writes: “Allah ordered Prophet not to keep any war prisoners until entire land is occupied; because by killing enemy prisoners will crush morals of unvbelievers. Some disciples such as Siddique Akbar (ra) suggested tom keep war prisoners to earn ransoms; but Hazrat Omar ibn Khattab (ra) and Hazrat s’aad ibn muaaz (ra) suggested to kill all able-bodied war prisonesrs (In sura A’nfal (#8): Tafsir by Maulana Mufti Muhammad Shafi).”

    Also please read Koranic Tafsir of Sura Ahzab by Maulana Muhiuddin Khan (Saudi aided Bengali translation of Koran)



    What Hadiths says about Banu Qurayza massacre?

    That Prophet Muhammad systematically eradicated Jews (who actually welcomed him when he fled to Medina from Mecca) from Medina. He beheaded the men and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children.
    In doing this, he wiped out several Jewish tribes "off the map" just the way Iranian Islamic president Ahmdijannbad desires to do same with present day Jews in Israel. These Islamic cruelties were recorded by various sahi hadiths as follows:

    Sahi Bukhari :Volume 5, Book 59, Number 443: Narrated 'Aisha:
    When the Prophet returned from the battle of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and laid down his arms and took a bath, Gabriel came and said (to the Prophet), “you have laid down your arms? By Allah, we angels have not laid them down yet. So set out for them." The Prophet said, "Where to go?" Gabriel said, "Towards this side," pointing towards Banu Quraiza. So the Prophet went out towards them.

    Book 019, Number 4368:
    It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri who said: The people of Banu Quraiza surrendered accepting the decision of Sa'd b. Mu'adh about them. Accordingly, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent for Sa'd who came to him riding a donkey. When he approached the mosque, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said to the Ansar: Stand up to receive your chieftain. Then he said (to Sa'd): These people have surrendered accepting your decision. He (Sa'd) said: “You will kill their fighters and capture their women and children.” (Hearing this), the Prophet (may peace be upon him) said: “You have adjudged by the command of God.”


    Sahi Bukhari: Book 019, Number 4370:
    It has been narrated on the authority of A'isha who said: Sa'd was wounded on the day of the Battle of the Ditch. A man from the Quraish called Ibn al-Ariqah shot at him an arrow which pierced the artery in the middle of his forearm. The Messenger of Allah (may peacce be upon him) pitched a tent for him in the mosque and would inquire after him being in close proximity. When he returned from the Ditch and laid down his arms and took a bath, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and he was removing dust from his hair (as if he had just returned from the battle). The latter said: You have laid down arms. By God, we haven't (yet) laid them down. So march against them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) asked: Where? He pointed to Banu Quraiza. So the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) fought against them. They surrendered at the command of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), but he referred the decision about them to Sa'd who said: “I decide about them that those of them who can fight be killed, their women and children taken prisoners and their properties distributed (among the Muslims).”

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280: Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
    When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."

    What else we need to authenticate Banu Qurayza massacre? We have scores of Quranic verses, sahi hadiths along with Islamic historical accounts recorded by the most famous and oldest biographer like Ibn Ishaq which are very strong and unambiguous evidences supporting this heinous act of Prophet Muhammad. How in the world any sane human being can deny such clear evidences from the very nucleus (Quran, sahi Hadisths and biographies) of Islam?



    Merciful Allah’s reward (Booty) for Jihadis:

    Allah repeatedly promised bountiful rewards for the believers both in this life and afterlife. But Allah never told believers to work hard to get it or to establish industries or business; neither anything which could make economy better, nor any lucrative rewards dropped from the sky! But then, what was the ultimate source of promised bounty for the believers during 7th century period? Answer is, it was BOOTY (spoils) sanctioned by Allah in the holy Quran. Booty was the most cruel and immoral provision practiced by Islamic jihadis, which not even any known ancient invaders (Alexander the Great, Romans, Persians or Assyrians etc.) did practice. Allah’s techniques of making Muslims (believers) richer were simple burglary, plundering and highway robbery (after sudden attack/invading) of Arab’s business caravans, neighboring tribes or sovereign nations. Allah of Islam emphatically encouraged and gave Muslims license to invade, subdue or kill all non-Muslim men and to take their women, children and all properties of the prisoners as booty (Ganimah). He (Allah) made booty Halal (lawful) for Muslim warriors. One can find all those tempting verses of Sura Anf’al from Allah inviting Muslims to enjoy booty sanctioned for them. Below are some examples how Quran openly supported Islamic jihadi’s immoral acts:

    Quran-8:69—“But (now) enjoy what ye took in war (booty), lawful and good; but fear God…” (Allah encouraging Muslims to accept booty spoils of war “Maal-E-Ganimat”)

    Quran-8:1— “They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war (booty). Say: "(such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger: So fear Allah, and keep straight the relations between yourselves: Obey Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe."

    Quran-8:41— “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.”

    One may think that Islamic Allah was (actually) enslaved by Prophet Muhammad. Otherwise how in the world any divine God could allow such cruelest and highly immoral things to happen! Allah readily permitted Prophet Muhammad to take the Jewish clan’s property on the basis of conquest and his possession of all things (Quran-33:27). This is a dubious revelation and reasoning Allah speaks, and this benefits Muhammad materially and politically. This happened too often in Prophet Muhammad’s life. In fact, this “Booty” provision was the most dynamic and lucrative lure or attraction for amassing Arab have-nots (slaves, poor, vagabonds, unemployed destitute) in the Prophet Muhammad’s jihadi cult—in order to become rich by quick method in this life and also enjoy unlimited heavenly pleasures in afterlife!
    What really happened to Jews in Khaybar?

    Merciful prophet of Islam in his campaign of eradicating all the Jewish tribes (who were most prosperous and rich) from around Medina, he conquered Jewish tribe of Khaybar in May, 628CE. This was a preemptive surprise attack (Gazzowa) or a sudden and unprovoked assault on the Jews of Khaybar. This was a decisive victory for Muslims. The Jews lost ninety-three (93) men while the loss on the Muslim side was only nineteen (19) men. Muhammad took some Khaybar Jews as captives, including Safiyyah bt. Huyayy b. Akhtab, an exquisitely pretty young newly married bride of Kinanah b. al-Rabi b. al-Huqayq. She was the daughter of B. Nadir chief, Huayy b. Akhtab who was beheaded by Muhammad during the slaughtering of B. Qurayzah. Kinanah had recently married Safiyyah, the young, vivacious and pouted daughter of Huyayy and had received a good treasure trove as gift. Muhammad also took two daughters of Safiyaah's paternal uncle.


    http://islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/Muhammad-Killing-Jews-of-Banu-Quraiza-and-Khaybar.htm


    You can convince only Ignorant and uneducated people that this systematic brutatility that came from Mohammad is actually coming from God. Mohammad was enslaving people, selling people for money and you believe that was an order from God???
     
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    Nice copy-paste job from hate websites.

    Learn the context of that battle. That tribe betrayed Medina during the war with the Meccans despite the treaty of neutrality. After the battle of trench was over, the traitors were punished. There were many other Jewish tribes in Medina who were the allies of the Prophet in defense of Medina, and they were never attacked or threatened.
     
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    wohoo, so many times this been discussed in boring details, prophet Mohammad (pbuh) marriage from Aisha, not sure about Bani-Qurayza Jews if it was here or else where, but anyway, here are some links so you can read and save us from repeating the same, after reading, please feel free to post your questions or opinions if you have any,

    from Jews for Allah: Did Prophet Muhammad order 900 Jews killed ?

    if you are interested you can check the other links there too they cover some of the points you listed.

    and here is the DP discussion about Mohammad (pbuh) marriage from Aisha, starting from post #36:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=10437037&highlight=aisha#post10437037


    but generally speaking, you are saying: "I believe Mohammad is not a true prophet because what I read on biased anti-Islamic sites only" for me as a Muslim this is no surprise from somebody who maybe thinks that Jesus (pbuh) is God or son of God, and not a prophet, so I believe that you should work on that point first, and ask yourself why would God need a son? after you solve this puzzle you will be able to distinguish a prophet from God, after that I hope you will be able to distinguish true prophets from false prophets ;)

    I would recommend that you read the old testament, where Mohammad (pbuh) is mentioned in name:

    "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

    In Hebrew language "im" added after a name is for respect.

    Google Mohammad (pbuh) in bible for more places where he (pbuh) been mentioned in bible.
     
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    Yeah he was a paedophile. Of course the excuse that the defenders of this paedophile like to trot out is that he raped a child in a time when raping children was acceptable, which of course dismantles the claim that he was a prophet because, as a prophet, he would have known how repulsive we (well, most of us) would find child rape in the 21st century.
     
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  8. Mia

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    Thanks for making my point! Kinda rules out prophet status as you said.
     
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    forgive me for copy&paste cos it gets boring to repeat the same:


    this was bu stOx:


    he is seen as a pedophile by you, in fact the majority of people in everywhere from 18th century and before are pedophiles in your eyes,


    gee, he got a reply, but still asking, does that mean the answer did not make sense to your StOx?

    ah StOx has a good point here:

    except he assumes that Qur'an is wrote by Mohammad (pbuh) when Qur'an is God's word..

    here is the link for full discussion: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=10437037&highlight=aisha#post10437037

    hmm, some atheist may say, "hahaha God's word?? there is no God.. because if God exists, why he did not help my mom when she fall in that hole??"

    yup, God's word, and here is one proof, just one clear like sun proof:

    Pharaoh Preserved... video

    edit to add: if people did not marry at these ages that time (when average life span was about 30 years) then there would be no human beings at all now.
     
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    With all those wars and bloodshed Mohammad deserves the true title WARRIOR.
    He very well incorporated the name of God into his politics though.

    He made up a belief system that is far away from being a Divine one. It is really hard to believe that God would send such a messanger to be an example for all to follow.
    TOO MUCH BLOOD AND BRUTALITY ON HIS HANDS.

    Why Jesus was not like him? Why Budha was not like him? Why India's so many paramahansas were/are not like Muhammad? It takes a really strong man not to kill his enemies, but the weak and foolish man grabs a knife and kills them.

    Killing prisners of war is a war crime and highly immoral for all times. Muhammad did that too.
    Jesus was healing people, Muhammad was killing people. Jesus preached "Love your enemies." Muhammad practiced "Kill your enemies."
    Who's teaching is really from God?

     
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    I think the title "nancy" kinda gets the message across.
     
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    I really hope that you know that writing in ALL CAPS is considered shouting, and I hope you know too that shouting does not make your cause stronger, nor writing in colors.

    both wrong, what you said about Mohammad, and what you said about Jesus peace be upon both of them,

    of course I believe that the bible, both old and new testament been edited, some parts been removed, some parts been added, some parts been changed, do you know that?

    what you know about Jesus comes from this bible, from which you concluded that: Jesus preached "Love your enemies"
    notice that below I am speaking in refer to the bible you based your claims on, I am not saying that this is Jesus, because Jesus preached all good things, unlike what the bible and Christianity in general said and did,

    then why we read this in bible?

    that was old testament, of which Jesus according to you said what means he did not come to delete it but to add to it, so what been added in the new testament?

    is that the kind of love you referred to? then correct it below from Qur'an, the true God's word.

    of course, Jesus (pbuh) is far from preaching this non-sense that is in bible, read your bible again, for more examples like this, almost all bible is about wars, killing, raping, incest, and blood shedding, this is no love at all.

    for the second part, what you said about Mohammad (pbuh) is also wrong, yes, he fought wars, but all these wars where defensive in their nature, and I challenge you to prove else, in Islam, we do not turn the right cheek, if an enemy came to kill us, we defend, yup, we defend by power, not by hugs,

    you can try it, go to some place there at night where its known there is a lot of crimes, robbery, rape, and wear really nice and show that you have lots of money, and walk there alone, when somebody comes to you threatening you with a knife, hug him, after that, if you were still around, come please and tell us about your experience there ;)
     
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    yeah anyone who has sex with a child is seen, by me, as a paedophile. it's kind of the definition of the word.

    But unless you are comparing your glorious prophet, who raped a child, to other common folk who raped children i don't really see your point. Is that what you are saying, that moe was no better than a common child rapist and couldn't know how disgusting people in the 21st century would think child rape is?

    You aren't really painting moe in a good light here. You are basically saying he was a child rapist and an incompetent prophet who couldn't, you know, prophecies. Or he could be, as i suspect, a slimy little con man who see an opportunity to have sex with a child.

    9 year old girls generally can't reproduce, so his relationship with her was purely physical, as is the case with most paedophiles.

    Evolutionary speaking the ability to reproduce does arrive at an age which is not only very inappropriate, but also very dangerous. But then, evolution doesn't have standards, morals or care about the welfare of an individual. your prophet, on the other hand, should have.... if he was a prophet, which he evidently wasn't.
     
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    Muhammad had the husband of Safiyah tortured to death trying to find out where he hid treasures. He killed Safiyah's husband, father, and relatives and then "married" her that day. She was probably extremely frightened, how could she say no? Muhammad gave himself credit for emancipating a "slave girl", but the only reason she was a slave was because he enslaved her. Source
     
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    Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

    Matthew 10:34-37

    is that the kind of love you referred to?

    First of all Jesus preached with symbols, unlike Mohammad. If that is to be literary taken where is the bloodshed under Jesus command? Never ever a single person suffered under the hand of Jesus! Can you say the same about Mohammad? NO.


    About the old testament, ... Jesus came to change the old ways of barbarity and brutality, the eye for an eye rules, and to show the people how to live in peace and love. AND HE LIVED WHAT HE PREACHED.

    What immoral or criminal valid accusations can you bring against Jesus? He died for others, didn't aks others to die for Him.
     
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    High Exalted is God, Above what the christian attribute to him indirectly.

    How evil is when the ignorant assign themselves as reference for what is good and what is bad and try to push their ignorance on us.

    We don't lower ourselves to take the standards from you, we take the religion from God The High, The Great.

    The Justice is High quality that is known only by those who are up.

    You attacked the Word of God in the Tourah, but Jesus warned us from hypocrites like you when he said:

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

    Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
    [Matthew 5]
     
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    All are out of context buddy. Read the complete context. This is to the OP
     
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    Polite teen why don' t you pay close attention to the Jesus' commandment: "LOVE ONE ANOTHER" and "Love your enemies" Love your neighbor like yourself which are the core of Christianity? If Mohammad was practicing that he would have never killed anybody. It is impossible for God to give such contradicting Divine teachings to two prophets.
    One of them is not Divine.
    You and other muslims answer only the things that you can find some arguments about the things that Jesus preached, and the things that Mohammad did, but you cannot defend you just skip. Like Mohammads marriage to the 6 year the marriage to his son's in law wife, which nobody regards as morally right.

    You tried to say that "Jesus brought the sword...." but nothing came out of your argument because nobody ever got hurt by the sword of Jesus UNLIKE MOHAMMAD'S SWORD.
    Jesus and Mohammad's teaching have QUITE OPPOSITE ideas. One of them does not bring their teaching from God, since God won't give contradicting rules to His children.

    You and some other muslims still don't want to hear and accept that a Divene teaching is based on "LOVE", not on hatred of anybody and that is BECAUSE MOHAMMAD DIDN'T TEACH THAT AND YOUR CLERICS DON'T TEACH THAT IN THE MOSKS.
     
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    I agree that Muhammad isn't a true prophet. Jesus isn't either. Basically there is no real prophet.
     
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    As Imad said, go to the bad part of town where everyone has knives and guns, with your wallet hanging out and try to hug them...and come back and tell us how it went.

    You seem really emotional and angry, to try and tell Muslims that Muhammad isn't a real prophet. You can offer Muslims all the money in the world, all the material things that exist, even the whole earth and everything inside it and they will not follow your religion or leave Islam.

    So you can either carry on being mad and continue raving on like a lunatic or come to accept there are people with different beliefs than you and live alongside them.
     
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