Why didn’t we warn Japan we would use the bomb if they didn’t surrender?

I thought this was a discussion about the 2 nuking incidents, not allies in general. Anyway, would the fact that China or Japan commited crimes against humanity justify one which was commited against them? I thought the justification was "they didn't surrender" now it's "they did it too"? Uhm...

 

Hmmm...

I have spelled this out as plainly as I can. I can't help you.

 

Geez, this is like talking to a baby. They did not surrender, that is the main reason they suffered the nuclear attack.

Since you were the one who brought up the absurd notion that the deaths caused was out of proportion to those caused by Japan, I pointed out then even my your metric, Japan caused far more civilian deaths than it suffered. You America haters should stay in school you sound like a bunch of uneducated morons.

 

Brown blew all the anti Americans out of the water and waxed them.

THE POTSDAM DECLARATION was clear.

The leaflet dropped were clear as well and told the citizens to leave.

The military, government, and citizens had an opportunity to leave and did not.

 

Shock value.

 

Hehe nice language, ok, cheers mate.

 

If you simply want to say that you disagree with the dropping of atomic bombs I would have no problem, that is a fair opinion. When you try to paint America as being evil, unfair or disproportionate with the attack, after everything that was posted, it is simply absurd and as an American I am insulted at the insinuation.

I apologize if I offended you with my language but you have to realize you are coming late to the party when the facts have been on the table and repeated ad nauseum. Your apparent refusal to acknowledge them pissed me off.

 

Well it's really not about painting America good or evil. If someone asked me, which is more humane, China, Japan, Russia or the US, despite everything, i'd pick the States, because others have proven to be far more brutal on many occasions. My opinion is that the nukings were war crimes, i believe the outcome couldn't be predicted accurately, nevertheless there's nothing that could possibly justify them, at least to me. That doesn't mean allies or America were the evil of WWII, because they were not, I understand some die-hard Anti-Americanism in these threads pushes you guys defensive, and it's normal, i was just talking, lately involved, sorry.

 

Read what I said again buddy. I never said anything about japan should get the surrender on their own terms. It's just what they place a small hope in which they didn't get. I stand by what I said before, I think US wanted they could of made them surrender without using the second bomb. Maybe it would of postponed their surrender but I still think they would of eventually surrender. They had no chance. The soviets also just declared war on them during that time.

 

all i see is:

"the jap army killed millions so its ok if we nuke their civilians one crime excuses another and no sand is too shallow for me to stick my head in"

"the civilians were free to leave and die from hunger somewhere else they got our leaflets asking for surrender! dont they know they should quit all they are doing once they get american leaflets?"

"jap children are a great threat to insecure americans...dont you know 12 year olds operate WMD in iraq?"


american arrogance is the americans worst enemy...

american indians= the american feels no guilt
american slaves= the american feels no shame
nuking civilians = no crime to nuke other countries civilians WTF?
korea = no american pride will be dent over this mass murder
vietnam = no american can ever do any wrong
iraq = fight to free iraq (from its oil)
avghanistan = fight for terror

sorry if i left out a couple of hundred other american invasions/bombings on other countries land and civilians...but the brain washed american can never do any wrong because their government and hired army says so...

 

We warned the civilians to get out. I highly doubt Japan warned the Chinese citizens of Nanking before they raped and butchered them. Yes bombing of civilians is always bad but you put it in a whole new distorted life.

Same as above,

A greatly exagerrated statement. I cannot think of any real nation at that time who was not imperialistic and were opressing \"lesser\" groups. Britain had its go in India and elsewhere. France was in places. Spain. Pretty much all major nations.

I am pretty sure that slavery had been existant for many many years and that Americans were far from being the first nation to have slaves. In fact I also know for a fact that the slaves were sold to us by fellow black people. I wonder if they feel any shame. I doubt it. They saw their own people as possessions.

Is a crime now. But I recall that during WW2 civilians were a target and I recall that America was not the nation that originaly started killing civilians in this war. It was a different war at a different time period under different circumstances. Horrible yes but still not as black and white as you are making it to be.

I actually think Korea was a fairly pointless war. But at the same time we were in a cold war with Russia and pretty much communism. Communism has killed more people then anything else in human history if I hav emy facts right.

Again as above with the fact that the hippies and anti-americans spun this war to a degree that it is almost impossible for anybody to get the true side of this war.

I would love to know when the oil starts coming or when we start making money from their oil. It is almost as if i wasnt a war for oil. Stop repeating that same propoganda lie. Statistics show otherwise.

And your point?

I do not think we have done no wrong. We have our fair share of crap but at the same time I do not like when people like you try to lie and put things in a all together different perspective. Look at the Spanish American war. The War with Mexico. Hell to be honest even the war of 1812 and the Revolution was a load of crap.

 

This thread is done. Browntwn said everything that can be said. He did not tilt the truth and was not bias. This thread has been a waste since all the facts were listed. Heck I even listed everything together so it could be read.

 

The atomic bombs were dropped to scare the fuck outta the USSR. The Americans new the war was over and that the only strong army after that would be the Russians who at that point had over a million soldiers in western europe. They had to make sure that when they asked them to leave they would say yes sir

 

its whats called a "power move"...it sure as hell had nothing to do with the crippled jap economy/army machine...

"operation unthinkable" there the US and UK wanted to invade the commies and korea and vietnam are all witnesses to the cold war later on...

its up to small countries to arm the F up because america will be bringing a power conflict to their area soon!...there is no truth and equality before everybody has nukes and ways to bring invaders to justice...