Why didn’t we warn Japan we would use the bomb if they didn’t surrender?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Edmond Dantes, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Or use it in a non or lesser populated area of japan, rather than on 80k civilians? At least the burden of all of those deaths would fall squarely on japan. i dont think the result would have been much different from our end, except that there is a chance, albeit small, that we could have saved those civilian lives.
     
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  2. atiq

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    Because We Did Not Wan't To.
     
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    Why didn't they warn us that they might attack and sink our Pacific Fleet?
     
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    Yeah... thats a good argument indeed.
     
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    I think US already ask them to surrender, but they insisted to fight so US decided to give them the lesson.

    After first bomb. still not surrender. So there was the second. After the second, Jap completely surrender to protect the rest of nation's lifes.

    if they surrender since before the first warning, that thing would not happen.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    WE DID. IT IS CALLED THE POTSDAM DECLARATION.

    On July 26, Truman and other allied leaders issued The Potsdam Declaration outlining terms of surrender for Japan. It was presented as an ultimatum and stated that without a surrender, the Allies would attack Japan, resulting in "the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland" but the atomic bomb was not mentioned. On July 28, Japanese papers reported that the declaration had been rejected by the Japanese government.

    Why do people not bother to have the least bit of knowledge before posting. Is it really that difficult to use google and research something. I hate ignorant posts like this one. Japan was specifically warned and refused to surrender.
     
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  7. PHPGator

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    #7

    I'm glad you posted this. I was looking for the name because I had forgotten what it was called. Good post. :)
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    oh well that clears it up then doesnt it klingon? HOW CONVENIENT of you not to warn the jap gov. and the 100.000-s of civilians about THE NUKE AHAHAHAHA! thanks for making my day...you did warn them but you didnt LOL!!!!!!

    OH BUT LET ME GUESS: if it was US civilians you would find it a big deal if that one little itty bitty tiny piece of information was ,somehow,mysteriously, left out about about the certain and imminent NUCLEAR HOLLOCAUST a coming your way!!!

    postdam declaration= the japs must have thought you were on some mighty meth LOL "surrender or die" LOL it was WAR so the note was just another prank to them you klingon!

    oh please note that on your "warning note" crap you mention jap army nowhere do you mention mass murder of civilians by means of nuclear force...

    why not blast an isolated island and then send your postdam declaration? oh right its because everybody not american is sub human to you as obviously demonstrated in your history...

    youre just so comfortable with taking other peoples lives and land and turning a blind eye when the truth is too much for your fragile egos...

    "japs were specifically warned" LOL when you say specifically you dont really mean specifically do you LOL...AHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA! hate to come back to star trek with my name calling but you are like that data fellow that has no emotions at all LOL

    "the japs were specifically warned beep beep it computes so its good enough for me beep beep"
     
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    The Japenese knew and were warned of the US's plan. The Japanese said to do it.
     
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    The Japanese should have surrendered. Had they, they might still be alive. Well, actually since it happened in 1945 none of them would have made it until now anyways.
     
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    I'm confused. Did you want us to draw out a sketch for them?

    For one, if we used the term "atomic bomb" they would have had no clue what we were referring to. However, we did outline what was going to happen. It's quite ironic you totally overlooked this: "the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland". Isn't this what the atomic bomb did? Sounds like a warning to me.
     
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    He's forgetting the main point of war is winning.
     
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  13. Edmond Dantes

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    thats not what im talking about.

    im not talking about a generic, "surrender or well go after you"

    im talking about "btw, guys, we have a superweapon that will destroy a sizable portion of your population in an instant, dont believe us at your own peril" sort of thing

    i dont see how that could have given anything away that would hurt your chances of using it, and maybe you could have accomplished winning the war without all those lives lost
     
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    Wahhhhhhh, WAHHHHhhhh!
     
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    So whose shoulders should the blame fall on for this? The JAPANESE Government, not the US. If Japan warned the US government about and attack and US citizens were not told about it, I would blame OUR government.

    Besides you are completely overlooking the mindset and culture of both nations during this time period. Japan was in a lot of ways still living in a feudal society. Both countries citizens blindly followed their leaders, never questioning the decisions made on their behalf.

    Also, you are all just beating a dead horse, so to speak. This was over 60 years ago. Why focus on this particular event and not on....say....Napolean?
     
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    Japan slaughtered/tortured between 8-12 MILLION Chinese CIVILIANS during that time period. If the tables were turned they wouldn't have hesitated to drop the bombs on the US.
     
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    Did you read the POTSDAM DECLARATION? Thats essentially what was stated. It requested a surrender. If no surrender the following would occur: "the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland" That is what happened too.
     
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  18. Edmond Dantes

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    sure, but there was no indication of having this brand new technology, atvking explained it much better. i know it was some time ago, but wouldnt it have been the humane thing to do?
     
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    This is a repeat of research I did for another thread:

    What goes around, comes around. This was not an unprovoked attack on the Hiroshima civilian population, as is the common misrepresentation of the bombing. There were 40,000 Japanese military personnel stationed in the Hiroshima area. It was a military and industrial complex that was considered to be impenetrable and critical to the Japanese war effort.

    http://www.ww2pacific.com/hiroshima.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

    It was not an attack intended to kill civilians. The bombing was intended to eliminate what was left of the Japanese military machine.
     
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    We didn't even know the true devastation that it would cause before we dropped it. We just knew it would do a massive amount of destruction. Thats exactly what was indicated in the declaration. I don't think you can do much more than give a warning such as this. It certainly wouldn't be in their best interest to start giving engineering notes of the bombs we had just developed.
     
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