which is why the USA have 10% more killing than most EU countries per capita and guns are banned over here
the irony of defending your right to religion with a gun. you training to become a suicide bomber too?
Maybe because Americans are more medicated than any other population ? Cho was reported to be on antidepressants ... the media can't say that too loudly without loosing support from Big Pharma
thought I heard somewhere that all rep is neutral in the general forum? (wasn't saying you shouldn't have done it....just made me wonder...)
The highest death toll in any school massacre in the US wasn't even done with guns, it was done with explosives which are much more tightly regulated then guns.
You want to turn this tragedy into political fuel for the gun debate? Fine. If the college didn't have a "no guns on school" policy, how far do you think this psycho would have gotten? Instead, the poor helpless students were reduced to jumping out of windows or baracading the doors with their own bodies while others escaped. Tell me, did this rule stop the bad guy? It's the same answer for the gun control debate. Psychos don't tend to care about rules and laws.
if he didnt have a gun how many shots do you think he would have got off? waits while you say bang 32 times
No, it worked, I have only 6 rep now compaired to 11 before. Just hope you don't think I care about rep samantha pia. Wouldn't want you to be dissapointed that your punishment of my opinion was ineffective.
and you think it could be possible to prevent him from getting a gun illegally if they were outlawed? I guess natural selection factors into it. Those who are stupid enough to try and outlaw guns will probably end up getting killed by them.
Oh, turns out she went and gave me neg rep on a different thread since it didn't work here. Very classy.
Nope. But many American colonists came to America because their religious views were being oppressed in England. Then England did more and more heavy taxing. Eventually, it became necessary to throw off the shackles of one system of government in order to gain liberty. The English viewed us as criminals, and wanted to institute gun control to prevent their overthrow. The reason that our right to bear arms is such a closely guarded one is because some day the people of the United States may need to overthrow their government. Is that day today? No. Will it happen during my lifetime? I certainly hope not. Will it happen ever? I hope not there too. But might it happen? Yes. And what will we be using if that day ever comes? Weapons. "Arms" as protected by the United States Constitution. One of the biggest ways that we can keep our politicians honest is to insist on speaking out when we disagree with them. Another is by making darn well sure that the government knows that if they push the people they rule to far, they will loose their power. If they skew the system to far against their citizens, to the point that reform is not possible without bloodshed, then they will loose their power violently. All of this requires that we preserve our ability to bear arms.
Its amazing to see such a big flaw in many peoples reasoning here. "If guns are illegal, the shooter would still have been able to get a gun" True. But it'd have been a LOT harder for him to have got that, and the needed ammunition to do what he did. If everyone had a gun though, I swear I'd change my plans not to study in the US. Are you crazy..? You can't be serious when you propose this idea.
You're obviously delusional if you think it would be harder to get a gun if they were illegal. There would be dealers pushing them on every other street corner. Is everyone blind to the fact that alcohol prohibition didn't work, and now the prohibition of the other drugs didn't work? In case you really are that dumb and don't know, here is the fundamental reason it doesn't work. Supply, Demand, and Profit from the risk. You make it impossible to buy something in a morally grey area which a large part of the population believes they have the right to, then you open up a lucrative black market and there is always someone to sell them because the profits are so high due to the risk. Now what happens is you have the crazy people (the ones who don't care about risk) selling the guns. You really think they are even going to do basic background checks on people or decline to sell assault rifles and automatic weapons??? To be honest, I think we're lucky gun control nuts will never gain any ground in this country, because if the only market for guns was the black market, and this guy was set on getting a gun, he probably would have opted for something a little more appropriate like a nice cheap ak-47. Your logic is that if they only have knives, they can't kill as many people... maybe 5 instead of 32? So how many more do you think he could have killed with a fully automatic assault rifle? If you question my logic that he would choose an ak-47 instead of the same gun, just ask somebody who drinks and also does coke what drug they would use more often if alcohol were just as illegal as coke, or how often they have chosen to drink instead of do coke, because they were somewhere that they would get in trouble for coke. My point is, if they (guns) were all equally illegal, not only would it create a viable black market (There is not a huge one now because people are satisfied with having a glock for protection rather than an ak-47), but it would also put all guns on the same accessability level. It's easy to outlaw things that not many people feel they have a right to do, like murder, or speeding, but even those things are hard enough to enforce, so things that are a fundamental or constitutional rights are basically impossible to outlaw successfully.
Forget the gun issue for a moment ... Listen to this video and you may see why the media is completely silent on medication as the problem. http://cchr.org/index.cfm/19863
I really don't think that's the reason, sure a tool that was used that help that person achieved whatever it was trying to achive, but that tool was not the reason that killed those people, it was the person who use that tool. China is a much restricter country, but you don't hear the murders that happen on a daily.weekly.monthly basis or the masacre that happens in that part of the country. Murders in that part of the country would often use Dynamite (it's largerly availble there, maybe because of the coal mines) Poisons and knives are also used to kill. Listen, if someone wanted to go ballistic, they will and will use whatever means to kill or injure someone. Here in the US you hear alot of news like that, that's because the media is wide and can freely broadcast such's a tragic events. It's not guns or knives or dynamite, poisons, it's the mind and the hands of those mentally ill person(s) that cause's killings.