Why BOTW is not penalized for selling links?

Well, for that, you would need to be friends with Matt Cutts!

 

Beyond common sense and reading what a directories policies are?

Read this post and hopefully it will shed some light on what is possible.

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/internetmarketingupdate/category/search-engine-optimization/

Just because someone cannot understand how something works.. does not mean it doesn't work...

 

That is my point exactly. Why penalize one and reward another when they have no freaking idea who is rejecting websites.

Matt Cutts most notably has stated that Yahoo rejects websites of poor quality. How the hell does he know that?

I guess from all the people who complain in forums like this when they don't get their $299 back.

I really don't think that should justify why directories like that are not penalized.

 

By looking at the quality of sites in the Yahoo Directory..........

I really think quite a few of you need to go learn what computer programs and algorithms are capable of.

I will give you a clue,

there are 10,000 cash registers within a chain of stores, and an algorithm can detect which 1 might be used for fraud.....

 

Like these sites that no longer exist, yeah real quality sites...

h ttp://www.mailbase.ac.uk
h ttp://www.riverwithin.com
h ttp://www.legal-link.com
h ttp://www.tvweather.com

...just to name a few of the dead links

Wow, I am really impressed by the algorithms that are not able to delete all the dead links in their directory.

I think you might have forgotten that it is humans that create the algorithms.

I really think you need to go learn what computer programs and algorithms don't do, before trying to teach any of us a lesson about how great they are.

...By the way, an algorithm found those deadlinks, and many more.

 

No where did I say anything was determined by the amount of deadlinks did I???

I did not write algorithms are perfect either.

I am not sure how long it takes to purge a database of dead links, but that is not an ranking algorithms job......-

Read what I wrote, and stop getting so emotional when someone tries to help you learn....

 

Two quick points:

(1) Matt Cutts (or any other GOOG employee) is in no way associated with BOTW, nor are we "friends, nor do we have any arrangements with them. We play by the same rules that the rest of the space does.

(2) Price is determined by simple economics. Prices for a directory review are determined by what the market will bear.

 

(1) Say what you got to say, but it makes me wonder why every other directory got penalised and not yours? please don't start playing good cop bad cop.

(2) I like your directory, its pretty fast and pleasent to eyes, however, what is wrong is wrong, you are making money on the expense of webmasters. Your business model revolves around rich webmasters, there are not many good directories around and you know it, which means you're high in demand, hence exploiting users by increasing prices, this is your model of economics.

World is facing economic crisis, people are loosing jobs left and right, you should be considerate and allow those users who have good websites but cannot afford 150 dollars a year, that price is ridiculous.

 

Maybe you should wonder why you don't know what you are writing about.

http://www.business.com/ PR 7 Paid Directory

http://www.ezilon.com/ PR 6 Paid Directory

http://www.canadawebdir.com/ PR 6 Paid Directory........

There are many others I wont list here but many paid directories allow only quality sites and as such they act as a filter for the search engines, so to speak.

 

I shall not consider Business.com because that is not general directory and specific to certain type of websites and businesses.

1: Botw 149 dollars a year
2: Ezilon 69 dollars a year
3: Canadawebdir 8 dollars a year

Do you see something strange?

 

Really ? Why does their submission page say this though ??

* 3-Day Guarantee
* US $75.00 annual review fee.
* Get Listed in 3 Days or Less!
* Affiliates earn a 25% commission.


So Get Listed in 3 Days or Less! means what !

 

http://www.browse8.com/ PR 5 $35.00

http://www.dirmart.com/ PR 5 $19.90

http://www.dirmoon.com/ PR 5 $25.00

Yes the strange thing I see is you not admitting you were wrong in saying all paid directories other than BOTW were penalized.

As we can see many paid directories are not penalized or filtered.

 

It means if your site adheres to their guidelines: 6 months of seasoning, no promotional phrase in the description etc...you will get listed. The price you mentioned is for the blog directory though. The main directory costs more...

 

Thanks for posting these links, i checked one and most of its internal pages are gray, even the top categories, also i don't think most these pass on any power! It probably recently got out of penalty! These sites are like romow.com aviva etc which were slapped in 2007, now mst of them seem to come back.

http://www.romow.com/ pr6 previously penalised!

 

They do not charge you for the links, they charge you for them to "review" your submission, in theory they could decline the link and you would lose your money but unless you have a really bad site that never happens

 

Ha its funny that still directories are considered to pass on any pr juice to sites . I doubt they even provide any real traffic either with google, bing and other search engines out there.

Anyone here listed in BOTW gets any traffic from their listing at their site ?

 

eWebPages and Aviva also have high editorial standards, why do they still get some sort of punishment despite the owners' great efforts and hard works trying to win back G's love?

Don't tell me they used to buy links. In my eyes, only Yahoo Directory and Business.com's backlinks are really NATURAL, organic, and highly authoritative, they're the real gems among the paid web directories.

 

Just have a quick search "BOTW Matt Cutts" in google or simply in Digitalpoint

Just 2 examples (among other ones)
-- Matt Cutts recommends BOTW in 2006
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=67777&highlight=BOTW+matt+cutts
-- Matt Cutts again in 2008 about BOTW
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1390888&highlight=BOTW+matt+cutts

In fact, the first time I heard about BOTW several years ago was in an article about a speech of Cutts.

Anyway, google's policy with regards to directories is clumsy, changing and unequal. I maintain it is discriminatory.


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Do you want another example: In French, the Yahoo directory has been closed for several years : submissions have been closed for 3 or 4 years. More: for about 1-2 years, that French directory (it is a subdomain) is no longer linked from the main Yahoo portal. Nevertheless, it ist crawled regurlarly by google bot (and keeps PR unchanged). And such an old content still appears in the google SERPS.


Another example: Google directory is a pure duplicate content of DMOZ. Nevertheless, google directory often appears in the first page of google SERPs. Do you know another directory which is a 100 % copy of another one, but still in the first page of a lot of SERPs.

Discriminatory, isn't it?

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Just another point off topic

According to yahoo explorer, BOTW has only 11,900 backlinks (links to the entire site excepted from the domain) while business.com has 3,500,000 backlinks. Several other directories have more than 50,000 backlinks.

 

You totally missed the point.
I agree, You did not say anything was determined by the amount of deadlinks. You said to look at the quality of the websites in the yahoo directory. That was your basis for why yahoo dir was good. So I did and found tons of dead links. So, you cannot claim that all website listings in the dir are quality. That's it.

I agree, You did not say algorithms are perfect, but you did comment that people should learn what algorithms are capable of. Since you talk so highly of them and think we should all learn about them, I just provided an explanation of what algorithms do not currently do. You are the one who brought up algorithms for some unknown reason.

You have taught me absolutely nothing except that others back track easily away from their previous comments very quickly when their logic is flawed.

I have no beef with you personally, and I am not getting "emotional". I just don't like it when people like you try to defend a flawed system that is unfair and unethical.

If you want to defend the current state of things in the directory industry, that's your choice. I just don't agree with you. The way it is right now is just wrong. That's all.

Best of Luck.

 

I highly doubt BOTW, or Yahoo, or any HIGH LISTING COST directory rejects any link.

Its relatively unlikely that someone will list a shitty site and spend $300 to do so. With all paid directories, even the lowest cost ones, the majority of the sites that are listed tend to be of a higher quality than those in the freebie directories.

The reason? The cost. Who throws money away attempting to list something that is crap? What good is paying a huge amount of money for "Crap"?

I find it really hard to believe that someone would spend $300 on something that would be rejected by myself at 5 bucks.