Why are so much people blaming USA for ditt and that?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by latehorn, Mar 25, 2006.

  1. #1
    Conspiracy here, Conspiracy there. The people agree, USA is the root to all evil in this world.


    For decades, America have been known for the free continent. Opressed Baptists, Jews, Mormons and other opressed peoples have been fleeing to the country ever since it was founded in 1789. To search for freedom and a better life. It is a country in which everyone(yes, black people was far more oppressed in Africa since 1860 and probably also before 1860) can be themself despite their identity, their beliefs or their culture.

    Expressing your own opinion is strictly forbidden in most of the world, it's just members of NATO that have some sort of respect, but there's not many countries in which there is totally free believe in what you want. In Sweden, a far-right groups website was recently shut down by the government after showing some of the famous Danish cartoons. Such actions happens at a regurlary basis. In America, the governent wouldn't even ask. The keyword is freedom.

    America is one of the few countries in the world that respects peoples integrities. In most European countries it's forbidden to bear arms, only the police have the right and they often missuse it. Police men that steals money from people by pointing a gun to their head happens sometimes, but the worst thing is the ubermann scenario.

    When it comes to religion, most people would say that moslems aren't respected in US, but that is dead wrong. Moslems are accepted by the majority. It's just that many americans doesn't accept islamistic policies. But most appearantly even respect people that doesn't respect freedom, according to the poll we had here lately. Well it's still not the roll-out-red-carpet-respect for american wahhabis, but that is true in Europe. People in Europe respect wahhabis more than americans and jews. I spoke with an Iranian bahai on another forum that have been in both america and europe and he said that americans are far less ignorant then Europeans. I was shocked that this would come from an Iranian. But this is true, the rest is just propaganda.

    So where's all negative propaganda of US coming from? US is a superpower that "controls the world and spread propaganda in their news channels" according to many communists and socialists that I have argued with. But how can this be true if half of the population is raising against Bush due to, you got it, news?

    Well, the truth is that there are no such as controlled propaganda plans from the white house. Bush own some shares in FOXnews, but that doesn't make it to create pro-american propaganda. I have that channel on my TV and I have to say that the channel is far more informative than the Swedish news channels. They are all sending out the same anti-american news after the other, the people love it, no one complains. But in US, news channels are different. They produce the news that sell, whether it is anti-american or not. But they produce it on a freely basis, they speak about and questioning what ever they want. This is the big difference between US and the rest of the world(with a few exceptions). I have etc never seen a pro-US reportage about Iraq on a Swedish channel ever. Not a wonder why 90% of the people here are against the Iraq-war. They are simply brainwashed by a world-wide initiative.

    I have never seen a country with so much free-thinking people such as US, this is also a reason why 50% question their governments honestly. Go to China, I'm sure that most people there love their government, go to Russia, same thing Go to SaudiArabia, same thing. People in dictatorships put more trust to the government, why? Because the government use methods in media and education that gives that effect. Not because the country is prosperous and enjoy a good civil-life.

    Most conspiracies against the own government are created in the most free contries and most conspiracies against foreign governments, nations, peoples, religions, cultures are created in dictatorships such as Syria where kids reads "The code of the elderly zionists" are teached in the school. Not to mention that kids was teached that americans are people that are aggressive and drink coca-cola when MAO was a dictator in China.

    But my thought is that, as the most free big country in the world and therefore the most hated, the country doesn't deserve to be more hated. I am speaking to especially Canadians and Europes. You guys, you have the opportunity to wake up and start to see things for what they are. Instead of licking the ass of bloody dictarships, you can actually do an effort for a better world. By spreading this message to your people and oppressed people in dictatorships, you do a favour for the democratic stability in the world.

    If you don't listen now then there's a little hope for you.
     
    latehorn, Mar 25, 2006 IP
  2. latehorn

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    Some mispellings and grammatic errors, but I hope you got the point.
     
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    latehorn, good piece. I disagree with some minor points here and there, but understand your perspective and positions on them.

    I think we Americans bring a lot of the 'dissing' upon ourselves, and I think there's the human nature factor of envying what other's have when you don't. Having the freedoms and liberties we do just naturally causes envy among some who don't share the same.

    Loudly boasting about these same 'goodies' we got; and reminding the world that we view ourselves as the greatest of all on a regular basis is bound to paint a bulls-eye on us as well.

    In addition, we assume and assert that freedom and democracy (our versions of these) is the best way of life for all, we don't always comprehend that different people are actually different and may not be willing or ready to accept our ideologies as their own.

    As for the news and controlled propaganda, there are and have been instances where the U.S. Government does in fact plant stories with a specific slant in foreign news journals. It can be debated whether or not the stories are/were valid news and that objections raised are due to the source not the reporting within, but either way we have to understand that to non-U.S. observers it looks like dubious propaganda.

    Scott
     
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    Crazy_Zap Well-Known Member

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    Nothing wrong with being proud of who you are and where you come from, Scott. There's a fine line between patriotism and "rubbing it in". Finding that line is key.
     
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    When Rome was the Hegemony, people hated Rome. When it was the British Empire, people hated them. It's just the natural order of things.

    As to negativity, there's that against all states of the world. You just need to unplug the "preschool" news that spoon feeds all the dumbed down Americans. One good news source is the Beeb (BBC). Another is the AP. If you are interested in Asia, I recommend watching Asian Today on CCTV-9. It's on my daily TIVO list. :D

    There's a lot going on in the world.
     
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    BBC is not bad but I rater use news.google.com
     
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    You could say 'Everyone' hates America because America doesn't understand nor care why 'Everyone' hates America.

    Some would also say America does what it wants, where it wants and will do so using force like the bully of the world if needed. America is all about America, with little if no regard for anyone but itself and its interests.

    Anyway.. who is 'everyone' exactly? Don't take it personal mate. America isn't that great despite what you believe but I don't hate it. I prefer it's people over 'America' - I quite enjoyed Disneyland and my stay in Florida when I was younger. Everyone was very polite and nice. Americans come across as up-beat and it makes me feel good just talking to one and hearing the accent and the compassion and care in which most speak.

    You are being very over-sensitive latehorn. It sounds like you need to convince yourself America is a force for good in the world before trying to convince others.

    Pete
     
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    This hate roots in jealousy.

    America stands up the first and is loudest and expresses clearly about wrongdoings.
    That's like stepping on someones toes and "truth hurts".

    Then at the other hand there's a clash of interests within the US that supports hate even more.
     
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    No - it isn't jealousy Arnie. You don't understand.

    While America on the front of things is standing up about 'wrongdoings' ie. Sadam, it's real interests are purely logistical, self-serving and about creating a base in which to spread it's tentacles in to the middle east. This is written in document and is an active part of foreign policy.

    People recognise this and the real agenda, then look at the 'face' of America and think 'Yeah fuck off. We know it's not about fighting evil-doers, and all about you America and what you can get out of it'. This creates a lot of hatred amongst those on the recieving end of Americas foreign policy.

    Jealousy doesn't come in to it.

    America counts on people like you though Arnie so it's able to do what it pleases around the globe. All they have to tell you is that someone or some country is a wrong-doer by your own words, and you will big up America for being great and righteous.

    Arnie, you're a clown mate. Get a clue.

    Pete
     
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    root of all evil is industrial revolution, where some countries or parts of the world didnt catch up, especially muslim world where working in a factory was kind of low :)

    now why is america ditt and that. simply all the world envy them because they are the most powerfull of them all and have to do dirty jobs around the world :)
     
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    Gadood

    Where did you get the freedom of speech though?
     
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    TGI Supermall Super Sunday Sale, IMO :D
     
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    I was born with the ability to learn to speak and say what the fuck I like.

    I live in the UK mate, anyway.

    Allow me to quote my favourite comedian here, I feel it appropriate. He is American, by the way.

    "You're born absolutely free except laws of nature. If you drink too much you'll get drunk, that's a law. If you get old you die, that's a law...these are the only laws you're born with and any government just fucks you out of that type of freedom...You're not free. You need a diploma in this country to cut hair. They say if you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. But if you teach a man to fish...then he has to get a fishing license. But he doesn't have any money, so he has to get a job and enter the social security system. And he has to file taxes, and you're gonna audit the poor son of a bitch because he's not really good at math. You pull the IRS van up to his house and take everything. You take his velvet Elvis and his toothbrush and his penis pump and that all goes up for auction with the burden of proof on you because you forgot to carry the 1. All because you wanted to eat a fish, and you couldn't even cook the fish because you need a permit for an open flame. And then the health department is gonna wanna ask you a bunch of questions about where you're going to dispose of the scales and the guts. This is not a sanitary environment. And ladies and gentleman, if you get sick and tired of it at the end of the day, it's not even legal to kill yourself in this country. You were born free and you got fucked out of half of it, and you wave a flag celebrating that fact...If you wanna fix the pledge of allegiance, put a disclaimer at the end: With liberty and justice for all...must be 18, void where prohibited, some restrictions may apply, not available in all states."

    Pete
     
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    People, the majority, can hardly recognize an evil politic agenda, even if it's happening for real.

    Do you think that the ants will know that you are going to destroy their stack before you have done it? Heck, most ants don't recognize what's happening when you kick it.
     
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    Gadood

    Then this parapraph is for you
     
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    Most of the people who believe that America is the best at everything are not very educated. Take a look around the world. Many countries out there have good qualities to them. It's not all good or bad.

    We don't lead the way in everything--heck, we are missing the boat on many things in this world.

    I love my country (USA), but we are slipping up in key areas, while countries like China and India are rising.
     
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    Absolutely correct. I neither said nor meant to imply it was wrong to be proud to be an American. I certainly am.

    It's not the reasonable patriotism that is obnoxious to others though, it's the ignorant boasting of how we're better than all that takes place. A perfect example are Americans who've never traveled outside of America (even to Mexico or Canada on a weekend binge) claiming we're the greatest country on the planet.

    Whether accurate or not, if you objectively look at that from a non-American's perspective, it's easy to understand how annoying the behavior would be considered.

    There's also the point of our constantly promoting our way of life as being the best way, and that other nations should follow our lead.

    Again, I'm not arguing whether that's accurate or not, I'm saying that to a non-American who may not be ready or willing to accept our ideology as their own it would naturally come across as obnoxious and bullying.

    My point was not that what we do and say is necessarily wrong. That's a different debate. My point was that we often fail to recognize how our words and behaviors will be perceived by others who live and think differently than ourselves. That gives the impression of a lack of respect for the diversity of our global neighbors and is bound to to fuel animosities and cast negative light upon ourselves.
     
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    They simply got much more people. And the people there are cheaper.
     
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    Yeah, more than 30% of the world GDP doesn't say anything. Anyway, I am objective in my thoughts and I know that there are other countries as well. Poland and Lithaunia are for example close to the US agenda.

    Why do you question the education? Are you one of those that agree that conservative, pro-american people are whiny mentally disabled kids? I can mention many successfull people that share my values.

    On the otherhand. Leftists(liberals) with or without knowledge are constantly using arguments that has an irrelevant basis.
     
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