Who's got Pagerank obsession?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by nikomaster, May 19, 2010.

  1. #1
    Hi there,

    When I started my first website about three years ago, at the moment of promote it I found a factor called Link popularity, which is the measurement to rank websites according to a category using a quality factor. Later, I found that part of the measure for this link popularity of Google's Search engine there is the pagerank algorithm, but that is something we all know.

    Here is the shocking true about the well know PageRank. Page rank isn't the absolute factor to rank on Google, there are other factors as domain age and relevance.

    For all that are not aware what pagerank is. PageRank is the probability of a random surfer clicking on a link on a page. For example, if a page has two links, one of those links has the probabilty to get clicked, in this case each page will receive a page rank of 0.5. This is the explanation of the original pagerank algorithm which I believe it has not changed that much at least the core of it . The total pagerank in a net must be 1 . How does google assign pagerank to a page?
    It do it according to the inbound links.
    Here is the formula
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    Pagerank of A= ((1- (dumping factor))/total documents or pages)+dumping factor*((Pagerank of B/outboundlinks of B) + Pagerank of C/outbound links of C and so on.

    Dumping factor is the chance of a random surfer to stop clicking links.

    I found an interesting application for the pagerank number besides the obsession. There is a simulator where you can set up a link building structure, and see how much link juice your site can have.
    Here is the link http://caccio.blogdns.net/software/pagerank-simulator
    I think is pretty useful to build your internal linking structure as well as building backlinks.
     
    nikomaster, May 19, 2010 IP
  2. joshvelco

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    #2
    Very interesting, thanks very much.
     
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  3. nikomaster

    nikomaster Member

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    Your welcome
     
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  4. websitedevelopment

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    #4
    it's good formula but i think that if we go through this then it will take lot time.
     
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  5. simpley

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    #5
    Well dont worry for page rank
    build pages for visitors and traffic will do the job
     
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    I have #1-spot-on-google-for-my-keywords obsession :p
     
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  7. nikomaster

    nikomaster Member

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    i GUESS A KEYWORD OBSESSION IS BETTER
     
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  8. Groovystar

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    #8
    I GUESS SO.

    Actually I'm not sure, I'm still not where I need to be but at least my obsession is for something that would give me direct results. PR just seems to be a number to me, I have PR 0's beating me out.
     
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  9. nikomaster

    nikomaster Member

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    Do not worry, I've got a PR 0 website ranked on a competitive keyphrase. Get your obsession on which keywords you place on your backlinks.
    Once I heard the term "the link passes anchor text". Still it must be dofollow no matter what pagerank it is.
     
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  10. teamdms

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    You could have an inbound link that is not related and get zero PR but if it's related you will get more PR. Where does related inbound links work into this?
     
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  11. nikomaster

    nikomaster Member

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    Having zero points in the scale of Google's toolbar does not mean your page has zero points. In theory, the pagerank value of the whole network must be equal to a number, originally this number was 1. Now, I do not know if this number has changed, either way, having zero points on the pagerank toolbar is not an absolute value. Google has a range of values to classify where your website must be classified in the pagerank scale, this according to the original pagerank algorithm. So by experience I have noted that unrelated topics on a page do not receive "link juice". I have a PR 5 website, all topics related to the main topic have PR4, I mean all pages. I placed a page regarding a topic that I believe is very related, but not to Google. This page does not even had Pagerank, I had to get backlinks to that page in order to rank.
    So I conclude that the pagerank algorithm was changed to use a keyword relevance factor.

    Please try the page rank simulator. It may clarify many doubts.
    http://caccio.blogdns.net/software/pagerank-simulator
     
    nikomaster, May 19, 2010 IP
  12. Groovystar

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    Most of my backlinks outside of this and other webmaster/marketing forums that I go to, are related links. My last check showed over 30,000 of them--even though, for all the work I've done I KNOW I never created even half that many so it must be a mistake.

    If keyword relevance is taken into greater account now, that is only a good thing. Maybe it'll stop some of the spam.
     
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  13. thunderbolt007

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    many are obsessed with page ranks...That's because they think that it is one of seo's great achievement having high PRs. But for me I don't look at it as way of seo but I look for the popularity, ranking of the site not pf PR. :(
     
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  14. nikomaster

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    As I remember you have 6 weeks working on your site so far, it may take you up to a year to achieve your goals. Meanwhile, keep working on it.
     
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  15. nikomaster

    nikomaster Member

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    Agree with you. SEO is about marketing, not just numbers.
     
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    #16
    Interesting post. But I am not obsessed by Page rank. Pagerank is just a number that does not mean anything to me (well it does mean something, but its not gold).
    I concentrate on other dimensions such as increasing traffic, quality content and good SERPs. If you concentrate on marketing, especially link building page rank will follow..
     
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  17. nikomaster

    nikomaster Member

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    Well I was just suggesting the pagerank simulator, it shows how the linkjuice flow among websites. It's helpful on internal linking structure as well as external linking.
     
    nikomaster, May 20, 2010 IP