Who's Fault Is It, GOD's, Adam's, or Yours????

Regardless of whether you're a Believer, a non-Believer/un-Believer (or otherwise), who's fault do you believe it to be that you were and/or are a sinner (having first been born in sin as a descendant of Adam) on your way to Hell for all of Eternity???
Before you answer, why not consider the following:

GOD Creates Adam (Genesis 2:7, 15);
GOD Commands Adam, "Of every tree of the garden thou may freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die. (Genesis 2:16-17)";
GOD makes Eve (Genesis 2:21-25);

Adam, allows a talking snake into his happy home (Genesis 3:1);
Adam, non-verbally, permits this talking snake, who seems to have a problem with GOD, to communicate/talk with his wife (Genesis 3:1-5), Eve;
Adam, listening to, and accepting an offer to eat from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil", from his wife Eve, disobeys GOD's Command (Genesis 3:6-7), and eats from the one tree that he had been commanded not to eat from;

GOD confronts, judges, and sentences Adam, Eve, and the snake (Genesis 3:9-19);
GOD, temporarily covers the sin of Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:21);
GOD drives them both from their home in the Garden (Genesis 3:22-24)...

Who's fault is it. . .and why?

 

That's a loaded question. You start it off with "Regardless of whether you're a Believer, a non-Believer/un-Believer (or otherwise)" and end it with "who's fault do you believe it to be that you were and/or are a sinner (having first been born in sin as a descendant of Adam) on your way to Hell for all of Eternity???"

In reality, that question cannot be answered by non-believers with all of it's built in assumptions. Many non-believers do not believe in the concept of hell or the Adam and Eve story. However, I do believe we are responsible for our own actions.

 

Reading your posts makes me want to kill someone. Who's fault is it?

 

I don't see it as being "loaded", because regardless of who believes or don't believe, the scenario is documented, as is all the information needed for a judgment and/or an opinion to be made on just that basis alone.

Excellent point.

Its your fault. . .for reading my posts. I don't want to kill anyone; could that be because this is the only post of yours that I read so far?

 

It was just a little joke about how annoying you and your posts are. Have a great day!

 

Well, since you seem to enjoy a good joke as opposed to my "annoying posts", try this one out for size:

The IRS decides to audit Grandpa, and summons him to the IRS office.

The IRS auditor was not surprised when Grandpa showed up with his attorney.

The auditor said, 'Well, sir, you have an extravagant lifestyle and no
full-time employment, Which you explain by saying that you win money
gambling. I'm not sure the IRS finds that believable.'

I'm a great gambler, and I can prove it,' says Grandpa. 'How about a
demonstration?'

The auditor thinks for a moment and said, 'Okay. Go ahead.'

Grandpa says, 'I'll bet you a thousand dollars that I can bite my own eye.'

The auditor thinks a moment and says, 'It's a bet.'

Grandpa removes his glass eye and bites it. The auditor's jaw drops.

Grandpa says, 'Now, I'll bet you two thousand dollars that I can bite my
other eye.'

Now the auditor can tell Grandpa isn't blind, so he takes the bet.

Grandpa removes his dentures and bites his good eye.

The stunned auditor now realizes he has wagered and lost three grand, with
Grandpa's attorney as a witness. He starts to get nervous.

'Want to go double or nothing?' Grandpa asks 'I'll bet you six thousand
dollars that I can stand on one side of your desk, and pee into that
wastebasket on the other side, and never get a drop anywhere in between.'

The auditor, twice burned, is cautious now, but he looks carefully and
decides there's no way this old guy could possibly manage that stunt, so he
agrees again.

Grandpa stands beside the desk and unzips his pants, but although he strains
mightily, he can't make the stream reach the wastebasket on the other side,
so he pretty much urinates all over the auditor's desk.

The auditor leaps with joy, realizing that he has just turned a major loss
into a huge win.

But Grandpa's own attorney moans and puts his head in his hands.

'Are you okay?' the auditor asks.

'Not really,' says the attorney. 'This morning, when Grandpa told me he'd
been summoned for an audit, he bet me twenty-five thousand dollars that he
could come in here and pee all over your desk and that you'd be happy about
it!'

Don't Mess with Old People (or Nehemiah)!

 

I reject your version of hell (I know, Jesus agrees with you). For another thread yesterday, I was looking at Christian verses and found: Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." If you're right, that would mean G-d will have many wonderful people tortured and burned for all eternity, for the crime of disbelief.

 

Entertaining. Here is a little one I like:

A man owned a small ranch in Montana . The Wage & Hours Board of the
Montana State Department of Labor claimed he was not paying
proper wages to his help and sent an agent out to interview him.

"I need a list of your employees and how much you pay
them," demanded the agent.

"Well," replied the farmer, "there's my ranch hand who's been with me for 3
years. I pay him $200 a week plus free room and board.

The cook has been here for 18 months, and I pay her $150
per week plus free room and board.

Then there's the half-wit. He works about 18 hours
every day and does about 90% of all the work around here.
He makes about $10 per week, pays his own room and board,
and I buy him a bottle of bourbon every Saturday night.
He also sleeps with my wife occasionally."

"That's the guy I want to talk to ... the half-wit," says the agent.

"That would be me," replied the Rancher​

 

. . .and me!

Good one!!!

Its not my version but I do agree with JESUS' version; but, Matthew 13:42 is not about "Hell", but about burning off all worldliness and imperfections of believers (some of whom are called "carnal" in other parts of Scripture). Matthew 13:42 is about a refining process, not about people going to "Hell"; These are "christians" that are only known of themselves and JESUS CHRIST, as being such; that Scripture is about getting "secret agent christians" rid of all this "worldliness" that will not be tolerated, for an iota of a second, in THE KINGDOM of GOD.
These are folks who are saved by the proverbial "hair of their chinny chin chin", so to speak, and/or saved folks who display more worldly-like than they did CHRIST-Like.

I believe one of the most interesting things about "Heaven" is the awesome surprise at/about who made it, and the even more awesome surprise as to who didn't make it. There will be pimps, prostitutes, murderers, molesters, junkies, addicts, dealers, bigots and racists who make it to Heaven, while there will be Preachers, Popes, Potentates, Pulpiteers, Presbyters, Teachers, Deacons, Choir members, who don't.

The only ones in Hell are the ones who "freely" and willingly REJECT GOD THE FATHER as GOD [JESUS CHRIST]; HIS WORD [JESUS CHRIST]; and HIS ONLY CURE [JESUS CHRIST] for sin.

 

Oh, ok. I think you're right on the verse. I did more research on Matthew 13:42, and found it's meaning is not literally burning in hell. What I found was not exactly as you describe, but that it's meaning relates to Old Testament usage, as in furnace indicating time of difficulties, etc.

Oh well, here's another story...
Bill, Jim, and Scott were at a convention together and were sharing a large suite on the top of a 75 story sky scraper. After a long day of meetings they were shocked to hear that the elevators in their hotel were broken and they would have to climb 75 flights of stairs to get to their room. Bill said to Jim and Scott, let's break the monotony of this unpleasant task by concentrating on something interesting. I'll tell jokes for 25 flights, and Jim can sing songs for 25 flights, and Scott can tell sad stories the rest of the way. At the 26th floor Bill stopped telling jokes and Jim began to sing. At the 51st floor Jim stopped singing and Scott began to tell sad stories. "I will tell my saddest story first," he said. "I left the room key in the car!"

 

3 funny jokes, thanks.

and its the snakes fault, Adam should of cut his friggin head off.

 

This is true as well; Good job of researching. . .let's hope others follow your example.
Also, furnaces (on a smaller scale) were used to refine gold; that is to remove all the impurities from it, in order to have a very better quality of gold.

Great story; No doubt, if Bill and Jim were "believers", they were "righteously" pissed.

You're welcome sawz; and your answer is an excellent one and worthy of much consideration.

 

1. i'm not a "sinner"
2. stop with the self hatred. Self hatred and little self worth seem to be an intrinsic part of christianity, is that how they gets you? By breaking you down and then promising a way of rebuilding a better version of the old retched you? Thats how most cults get you.

"you are worthless... but don't worry, for only $9.99 we can turn you into a new and improved you! for a limited time only recieve a free invisible sky daddy!"

 

Is what you state above anything like me stating:
1. I'm not "GOD (nor HIS WORD)"
2. Stop with the self deification. Deifying and thinking more of yourself than you really are is an intrinsic part of the gross misconception that you're the proverbial "master of your fate, and the captain of your soul", and that's how Hell gets you. By building you up and then assuring you that, "You shall not surely die. (Genesis 3:4)". That's how all of Hell occupants get/got there.

"you are somebody. . .and I, 'the devil', don't exist and neither does Hell; so you need not worry about me attempting to trick you into being just as screwed up as I am and suffering the same fate as I did, am doing now, and will do for all the rest of Eternity, just because I rejected my Creator, and wanted to be my own 'sky daddy'."???

 

It's the snakes fault. I have to show my daughter this thread later on my granson has the same name as your's Nehemiah when she named him it seemed to me it was a unique name and since he was born I have seen and heard the name many times since., and let her read your thought on this thread.

 

Most religions have similar bullshit stories neceophiliac, or whatever your name is. Have a think about why you regect their bullshit and you'll have a pretty good idea why I regect yours.

 

Believe it or not stOx, I understand your disdain for, and skepticism towards and for "religions"; this is the main reasons that I subscribe to none of them, nor do I practice any of them (even "christianity", as we know it secularized, and/or practiced, today). But for the nth-teen time now, I'll repeat, THE WORD of GOD ("The Bible"), JESUS CHRIST, is not about "religion(s)", but RELATIONSHIP.
And unless you're one who has, literally, cut off your nose just to spite your face, then you're not rejecting me. . .only my message. . .and whether you like it or not, even a broken non-running clock is correct twice a day.

 

Yeh they all claim to be the "WORD OF GOD". Like i say, have a think about why you reject their claims and youll have a good idea why i reject yours.

 

I agree, if you have a religious view, keep it amongst yourself and your other religious believers, but dont ever, try and push your religion upon others who couldnt care less. When you do this, you conceed to create more enemies than friends, as you are trying to pressure people into their beliefs.

B.

 

Please show me one. . .other than "The Bible". Book, Chapter and verse, if you can?
When you tell me that you "reject" mine (such as it is not; and I've told you this before), you seem to be of the belief that I this is going to cause me to cease posting what I post. If its okay for you to "reject" mine, can I continue to "reject" yours? It wouldn't be fair to you if I allowed you to "reject" mine, more than I "reject" yours, right?