The fun appears to have ended for me. After riding a 6 year top ten ranking wave...removed from Google serps . I wondered if anyone else is feeling my pain . Just read this thread. Something I have been suspect of for some time now. I really can't say FOR SURE! The site that got whacked has no link code on it but rather links pointing to it from other network sites. Since Sunday, you can hear a pin drop here....vanished from serps for ALL money terms! Is anyone else seeing similar results using similar link networks? I have close to 100k in vaultage
Unlucky, doesnt seem right a site that is top for that long with all the work you have put into it can just vanish like that
Umm, that's not what I am out and out saying. I've been around DP and seen enough accusatory threads posted at update time. Just looking for opinions here. NOT pointing fingures. I agree, this is a well established ecom site, the natural reaction would be to figure out why , then submit for reinclusion....so that's what I am trying to do here. Others may be seeing similar patterns and maybe we can draw some common ground. The only questionable thing I do with this site is point about 55k in vaultage at it. I have been reading around the net about this, hence the link on my OP. After hearing that comment I am starting to think maybe I am crossing a threshold of TOOO much on 1 domain . I didn't realize that was considered alot of vaultage . Not ready to sell, Fryman...not till I figure this out
I have done everything I can imagine to increase my lousy 8k vaultage and just can't. If anyone here has either available vaultage or a site for sale with big vaultage PM me
Ah gotcha. I wasn't sure if you were saying you thought it was because of Link Vault or asking if it might have been.
The odd thing is when you do a link: query the first link that appears is LV. After going on LV's forum I have found that others are seeing the same thing...LV in the top ten for ibls, I find that odd . There must be a pattern that google is seeing here!
Hmm. Are you delisted or just knocked out of the top 100 or so listings? The reason I ask is (unless you are using a different engine to check) backlinks don't show if you are delisted.
1 and 2 word phrases (money terms) are gone in serps. 3,4,5 words phrases show in the top 100 spiratically. I've never seen such rapid changes . On Sunday I had about 50,000 indexed pages today 28,000 and dropping.
Have you ran a spider simulator to check if for some weird reason the spider is getting blocked by the code? Sometimes a small change in it can just make the spider go crazy, happened to me once and lost 90% of my pages
Consider this: Matt Cutts has stated in various places that Google is serious about combatting the buying and selling of links. The reason I think the Coop ads are not penalized or discounted is precisely because, like other ads (banners, etc.), they fluctuate - they're non-permanent. They are indeed what they claim to be: a copperative of advertisements that appear on variuos sites for a period of time and then are replaced by other ads. This was the cause of some criticism by LV proponents who saw permanent ads as an advantage for PR. That's probably true. But that is the sort of contrived linking that characterizes paid link schemes. I do not offer any of this as fact - merely speculation. But haven't used the option of permanent Coop links because the concept bothers/worries me. Offered as thinking out loud only...
Google cannot penalize sites for selling links... isn't adsense just a bunch of links they sell out... anti-competitive...may be you mean links that is completely irrelevant... but how would they know that... if i have a general site but have good traffic from a geographic location then i can add links to ads geared towards to my visitors which need not necessarily be relevant...
The problem with that statement is that it's so blatantly incorrect. Google can and in the past has penalized sites for selling links and neutralized the PR value of links sold by some of those sites. The fact that you may wish it weren't true doesn't make it not true.
Exactly. Google has been quite aggressive in nailing sites which sell so-called, 'PR' links. There has been speculation over the last year or so that 'artificial' (depends to whom you talk) link schemes such as Link Vault would come under the microscope and eventually get nailed.
I was not arguing that Google doesn't do that... i was just arguing whether they should be doing that... Once you introduce human manipulations to the algs it stands "manipulated"... open for other not so important reasons... So what is your definition when you say "pr" link being sold... In any case this may best be discussed in another thread.
Since the selling of text links for PR is clearly an attempt to subvert the PageRank portion of Google's search algorithm, of course they should be doing whatever they can to circumvent that. This makes no sense to me at all...
the point i was getting at is these human tweaks to the bot/ alg generated serps/ ranks is a wrong step... would you be ok if google decides to add top 10 results that "they" find interesting... Just one frustrated user here... for example i was using dogpile for a long timenow to gather the top results across engines and if you search now most of the top 20 is filled by listings in google and yahoo sponsored ads which prominently appears in the top of SERPS... All i was looking for is an official statment that this is illegal from google's point of view... never seen that anywhere...
Isn't that a Dogpile problem rather than a Google or Yahoo problem? If Dogpile can't figure out how to filter the sponsored ads, maybe THEY are doing something wrong?