Though there are reasons to believe that they influence each other in some parts of the world to some extent, it is not the reason why the sub forum has been named P&R. This is the mathematical logic of the forum staffs when it comes to P&R. Politics = B.S= null= void= 0; Religion = B.S= null= void= 0; So, politics and religion = 0 + 0 = 0. Thus the proof. They just wanted to keep all this crap away from the main forums. So, why create two waste bins ???
For some, politics are religion. For others religion is politics. You want to be careful discussing either when you are sitting in the barber's chair.
They certainly do mix and complement the other. Religion is only learning how to transmute sexual/creative energy towards actual creative and sustainable means and ends as opposed to degenerating into our own lusts and egos. Adding anything more to religion is to create your own idea and opinion of the philosophy that has no basis on reality (As a Christians interpretation of Hanukkah as the Jewish Christmas would be). The political world cannot exist without the religious idea of conservation and optimization. To say religion did not teach the world about conservation of energy is true, nature did; Religion put it in a book and explained it is all. The first scientists were priests. There is nothing anti-science about true religion. To listen to dogmas is to be mystical and not deserving of a secular political position, so we won't even taint this discussion with such unsophisticated complaints. There is no better place for a politician to look than in holy texts for how to act. There is no worse thing than for a politician to be so out of tune with religion that he takes those holy texts literally.
REligion and politics have absolutely no business being together. They are completely seperate things. Look what happens when you mix the two. Look at history. Look at the middle east. Politics != Religion
I absolutely agree. Religion cannot become the state, and the state cannot have religious followers. The key is the ferocious self-control it takes to use the power religion gives you to in a responsible manner to help those who have not yet understood the big picture within this secular political, fight-for-yourself, world. It takes tremendous discipline to transmute that energy; it takes a king that wishes to serve as a slave.
Based on my country, Religion and politics mixed. Church also has it's voice regarding social issues. Why? cause whatever religion we have, we are all affected in calamities, increase or decrease of economy etc.
If you get your values from religion we might as well put you in prison now before you stone to death a woman or murder an disobedient child.
My morals come from the bible, and that will always reflect upon how I vote in elections. I have no shame in admitting that.
beats thinking for yourself. If a candidate said he was going to introduce a law by where disobedient children are stoned to death, as the bible instructs, would you vote for him? What about if a candidate said criminals could get out of prison providing there was someone willing to be tortured to death on thier behalf, the very foundation of your religion and something i assume you think is moral and just, would you vote for him? I'll ask for straight forward answers to these straight forward questions, but i'll look forward to your evasion, obfuscation and rhetoric.
Which part? Exodus 2:12 or Exodus 20:13? (Just one example of many) Biblical morals can be very scary - particularly if the words are not coupled with sound reason/judgement and a deep sense of personal responsibility.
Please read the bible in its entirety and then come back and reference it. This is clear you are referencing an Old Testament story, but we no longer live under the old covenant. Lets be clear on this. The killing of Jesus Christ was anything but moral. Sin was what placed Jesus on the cross, and Jesus conquered sin through his resurrection. It is ironic that you have a post like this, and then tell me that i'll be the one spewing the rhetoric. Feel free to ask bible questions, but do so with an open-mind otherwise we'll be spinning our wheels here. One reason why I don't often come here anymore.
It can be even worse when you take things out of context. You referenced a verse where Moses killed a man, he had to flee. He spent a very long time (probably about 40 years) away from his family and those that he knew. God punished Moses for his sin in this manner because in all actuality if God permitted this, no one would have ever known of the murder. Correct? Still, there are other scriptures which talk about war and death in the Old Testament. We have to understand though, as I mentioned to stox, that we no longer live under the Old Covenant.
I have read it, it's the most poorly written shitty little peice of fiction i have ever read. You believe the OT was the word of god, right? So your god is imoral? We agree on one thing then. I have already asked you questions... fancy growing a pair and answering them?
Absolutely! But what is the use of the Old Testament? It isn't something we live by. It is used as a reference to show why Jesus died on the cross as well as to show where came from. For example, in the New Testament, salvation comes through faith, not works. Salvation in the Old Testament came through works. Please re-read what I had to say. Sin placed Jesus on the cross. I'm always willing to answer them, Stox. So long that you are legitimately asking. I'm sure that's not how this thread will be going though.
Depends on where one looks. Salvation is either: 1. Preordained (Ephesians 1:4-5, 11, Peter 1:2) 2. Based on belief (John 3:18, 36 et. al.) 3. By works (James 2:21-24) Don't get me wrong. As I said before, Biblical morals can be very scary without sound reason/judgement and a deep sense of personal responsibility. Don't believe me? Look at what happens otherwise...
LOL. Religion has a place in the mind of a lunatic, but, when it actually affects me by throwing its influence into politics, then it has overstepped its boundaries.