Who is the scammer? post your vote, plz

yes i agree with both of you, i will be more careful in future, But what i want to do here is to remove what he tagged me, I am not cheater or scammer.

 

Its obviously he is a scammer, he is the one who should have told to you that you will need to pay to get the script free without any locking to domain and shit, lol, otherwise he could have just ripped that site ,and sell it with locked domains.
You didn't pay to him to rip a site, that he could later sell it to other people and lock it for you on one domain, lol you paid for a full script which you could sell to someone else ( which i doubt you would) cause you would like to improve your site more, and if more people would have the script that would be kind of competition for you.
I think the Pakistani dude, just saw an opportunity there,and and wanted to take advantage of it, so he could make more money,and yes he is the scammer.

 

Thanks for your opinion, you said what you can think only ..
I did several project, he was not the client who has been running my business. And thank you, but your mind seems to be narrow ..

 

Adnan.. So now you have a 9/10 finished site that you know the OP doesn't want shouldn't you work out a price that you need to get for it and take advantage of this thread while it's hot telling us all how much you will sell it for, sole rights, resell rights, etc. Just might be able to sell it to someone here. If you know youre in the right you should have nothing to lose.

Plus, I'd stop responding with 'I am not a scammer' - most have said they understand but you keep rubbing it in like you are hiding something, have more courage and do what you know is right rather than continue defending your worry.

Grab the situation by the balls and turn it around to reach your desired outcome rather than continually go over the same argument. Turn that stress and worry on its head by turning it into something useful. Think smarter, not harder.

As far as i'm aware, nobody can change an itrader once its given so it can't be taken back. All you can do is stop annoying people by not keep saying - i am not a scammer.

I also fully agree with RonBrown's main post.

 

You believe me i dont want to argument same, I didn't hide any thing, i have shared all the things truely here. And i dont need to hide any thing, You can see what i have been doing to resolve this issue, i tried my best, but ok, now i give up.

Actually i was really shocked by his rating and this thread, i never deserved things like this. and trust me, i was saying that "i am not a scammer" because some guyz were not understanding but only posting, you can see yourself. But ok now i stop here.

i hope, he will face problems, like he made for me.
thanks for all opinions.

 

Good, so at this point you're out $1,700 from original deal. Will you sell sole rights to someone here for $1,700 or will you sell copies for locked domains at cheaper prices? How do you intend to get a ROI now? Please share what you intend to do with the software/site so we can all sleep peacefully knowing this buyer/seller argument has a conclusion.

 

Quite the thread! It amazes me that people would let this type of stuff go so far..... I spent over an hour just reading it... I can only imagine the time Adhan has spent reading, posting and losing business because of this thread... Adhan, you should have just fixed this in the beginning... I'm sure it has cost you more now with how long this has been drawn out... I truly believe Adhan still feels he is right but just agreed to fix everything to avoid the negative impact of this thread...

xtazi35 probably could have been a little easier on Adhan but I understand the frustration and sometime enough is enough.... I don't think Adhan is a scammer but just made some incorrect decisions (assumptions) about the project.

I hope everything works out for both of you but really think it's a shame that xtazi35 paid all the money and didn't get what he wanted....

 

I cant sat any thing finally, i had outsourced flash development part to my friend, he agreed to give source code without domain locking when he saw that my honesty is being abused and demolished here, but this great guy refused to show any kindness, he intended to destroy my image here according to his statement on chat, he told me he will destroy my online image, and thats what he did here .. i would have no feeling to resolve this issue if i am what he kept calling me. but i am not when people understood here.

Now since the rating cant be remove, and this thread already gave me too much pain, i dont want to care about him any more. I dont have such intentions to sell the project or its copies for now .. i am looking forward to have a good business with other serious people .. I will be much careful from now ..

But now my intentions to resolve this issue ended here and i dont want to request him any more .. But i hope he will face problems like he made problems for me even i never deserve such things ..

All of you can sleep peacefully. This matter is ended! I am out of his project.

 

Thanks for your opinion mate, he didn't paid me all, he paid me 1300$, i gave him website which was done 95-97% .. that isn't worthless for what he paid so he didn't wasted his 1300$. and i didn't keep any money for free. to be honest i am in more lose.

PS: there were charges for deposit and withdraw + there were difference in exchange price too .. He paid 1300, but i didnt get 1300 .. there were deduction of charges like i said + differenc in exchange rates.. The website i gave him isn't worthless for what he paid. one more thing, friend my name is adnan not adhan

 

I think we had the same hour, had to comment after all that too.

100% agree. Unfortunately neither party stated their intentions and obviously the program got too much for Adnan and he thought of avenues to make up for the loss. After working out a plan he's thrown that in at last minute and put off the buyer completely. I can understand and agree that unless it was stated at first, xtazi should have had full rights to everything and Adnan should have not had any rights over his hired task and he was wrong to take that road. He's admitted that he was wrong so that's fair enough too. He's offered to fulfil his obligation now that he knows the correct procedure. What more can he do there?

Well said. xtazi35 is also totally within his rights to back away from the project when he did given the rules were changed in his mind at last minute. It was his site to do with as he pleased. I wouldn't expect to pay 3,000 for software I can't do anything with either and would have backed out as well.

xtazi35 deserves recompense in some form too. He's not fulfilling his obligation yes, but he did give Adnan a good go at it before posting his gripe. Whether they can come to some sort of deal that sees Adnan earn ten grand from his site and he then repays xtazi35 two grand in payback for the idea - that would be great for both, and possibly worth the stress.

I fully appreciated this thread as i'm thinking of having a site made and it's given me the smarts to sort important clauses out first so a big thanks to both parties for bringing to my attention now.

 

To be honest i am not intending to sell his project, I dont resell my projects, every project i build, that is only for the client the project is made for ... I do projects according to client's need, so my every project has client's specifications. Also how can i sell this project if my friend has Flash application, and i have Website? His company has terms and he wont do that too. For me, i wont sell his website.

So for this project, i have no such intentions. I make projects, and once they are delivered, i store a backup in my projects folder and forget that and then look for new project and make them according to client needs.

As i said, now i am looking for new projects, i have no more interest in this. I did all my best to resolve this issue, what else i could do? but i will be hesitant to show my ratings to new clients.

But he never informed me what he is doing here against me, even he talked to me on 5th oct, and asked me to integrate his website with flash app for 200$, instead of informing me what he is doing here against me ...

PS: have a look at my iTrader page, suppose you are AdnanAhsan, who built the reputation with lot of hardwork, but some one gives you rating like this, even you never expected. try to feel the pain i am feeling.

I dont expect any positive step from him anymore, and i leave this issue, i have nothing to lose now, he has done what he intended to do against me. Now i dont want to waste more time on this issue, i have already spent lot of time here even much more then he spent here. i have been answering people and facing insult, this was just a waste of time honestly because i got no benefit. I am regretting why did i take this project i shouldnt take his project. No doubt he made this thread to insult me and tag me as scammer and cheater, gave me negative iTrader with really abusive words i never even imagined, so its all my lose, but by opening this thread, He also disclosed his project idea, he told me not to include website into portfolio, he didn't want to disclose his project. But see when he intended to destroy my image and reputation here, he forgot about his idea protection, of course i wouldn't like to add his project to my portfolio, not because he told me, but because this project was a nightmare for my business. i dont know if my new clients on dp will be happy to hire me, but he harmed my business reputation badly here .. He thinks i scammed him, which means he doesnt know about scamming, i dont need to define that too. But in fact, he scammed me badly by money, by time, by ratings ... i dont need more opinions, and i would like to leave the thread now, I am just wasting my time, some guyz will never understand this case. so i have no benefit to spend more time here. but guyz who understood the case, i am very thankful to them, and i expect positive thinking from them.

Now my heartly request to admin and mods, Please if possible for them, Close this thread.

 

Bushranger: If you are thinking of having a website built look into GetAFreelancer.com. I have had about 8 websites made and I only hire through GAF (Get a Freelancer) as the funds are put into Escrow and only released at agreed upon milestones and/or upon final completion of the project. I've only had one issue there and it was because some jackass decided he wouldn't transfer me the files until payment was released and then further wouldn't release them until I gave him positive feedback... But all in all ... great place to get quality work (I've had more problems here than on GAF). With GAF, the deposit is held by them as a 3rd party and any disputes are dealt with by them.... This is better than the Buyer or Seller having control of the funds and making biased decisions. Also, you can look at hundreds of other similar projects posted on GAF and can see how they cover all aspects of the project to avoid confusion down the road... This way you can be sure your job posting will avoid these same issues...

Adnan: Sorry about mis-spelling your name... I just had a look at your feedback thinking you had done many projects and that this one negative score wouldn't affect your overall rating by much... I was wrong.... It looks like it will have an affect as it's your only feedback in the past 6 months... I would suggest either pointing prospective clients to this thread right away so they can read it and judge for themselves and hope for the best... You should have just bitten your tongue after the first few posts and fixed the problem... all this would have been avoided (your time and your loss of business)...

Your other alternative is to start from scratch... if you were to do that I would start doing a few free projects to get ratings then build from there... I would suggest a place like GAF

 

Place doesn't matter, it depends on the seller and the buyer, i never had a greed of extra money, i had to manage project and my outsource partner told me that for resell rights client has to pay us extra, and thats why i asked him, i had no personal interest .. I dont keep free money, its very difficult to start business from Scratch. I dont want to get involve my other good clients here, i am more worried about my rating because this guy used very unique abusive language, he did his hard to make enough doubts in viewers when they have a look at my ratings, he has no good thinking, no good heart, he did what he decided. I saw some guyz itraders, some of them also got negative ratings from their clients, but i never saw these kind of words he used in his rating ..

Its impossible for me to work on free projects to get reputation, Because its my only source of income, But i believe and i hope, when people will see my work, they might have some confidence to hire me .. I will be more careful ...

See bad people are every where, no matter whether they are on GAF or on DP, if they are cheater, its very difficult to avoid them once they trap us. I have been working with some clients who came to me after burnt by other, even i have been working for freelancers as their outsource partner. I never had such issue, this is the first time i am facing this issue, this guy crossed all the limits to be honest, he cant blame on me if i even resell his website. But i am not like he has been trying to prove, i dont resell my projects as i explained in previous post. But yes i pray, he will also face failures in his life. i will never like to work with him again for sure ..

He said in his first post that i still dont know about actionscript, but thats wrong i know ActionScript 3.0, i am just uncomfortable to offer that service and thats why i outsourced flash part to my friend ..

Well i dont want to look back, i am looking forward to run my business. i am just worried about his rating, but i hope some people will understand themself.

 

Difficult situation because the developer has preconceived rules of engagement and completion when the customer has different ones. After reading the response I'm convinced language was part of this too.

I use to build very expensive houses. Its all relevant in business. I can say when someone came to me to build a house that it was my responsibility to explain everything. Including whats included in the deal and whats not. Not mentioning something is not cause for excluding something expected by customer. The buyer here may not have known about the inside rules of developers. That's not his problem its the person providing the services problem.

Calling someone out on a forum like DP can backfire too and I personally wouldn't do it.

Just my opinion and good luck to all involved

 

i had accepted my mistake and i was more then willing to resolve this issue? and i also offered him a big discount even it would be my lose, but i was giving him a big discount just to resolve this issue, didn't you read the post where i posted my last email to him, and his response?

Well thanks for your opinion, But i am out of this project now, and no relation with this project or this client anymore. i have been already insulted too much my friend
Thanks

 

@Adnan - You tried cheating me and tricking me and in the process you got caught. You were trying to screw me but instead i screwed you by canceling the project. I lost money , time and at the end i didn't get my project, so do you think i will be using sweet words for you? Even if you gave me the project for free i wouldn't have accepted it because you have broken that trust. When i was sweet to you , you just took advantage of it and tried playing with me the way you shouldn't with a client. If you were truly worried about your business you shouldn't have dealt it like a stupid in the first place.

Stop whining and stop dragging this issue. Stop trying to prove yourself right because you are NOT right & everyone already said that (i think). Giving the script for $700 less is not resolving after i have said you i already hired a new programmer to end the job before opening this thread (since the project is already delayed for 2 months and that also because of you!). So stop blaming me for all this. I had a thorough chat with you on gtalk about everything and then i decided to take my actions. Changing things now from your end won't do any good because it's too late now. You should have thought ten times before saying "no" when i was asking you so many times to resolve the issue on gtalk.

 

This is bullshit. I read like 3 pages of this.. AdnanAhsan, give him the source code.. he gave you money. right. You don't want to finish it.. OK.

give him the source code.. I will decompile any flash / php for you. AdnanAhsan, you're really a cold hearted person if you dont give him at least the source code..

why do you care if he resold the script? I mean, Im sure you knew what he was doing.. when he told you about the project. He trusted you with the money.. just give it to him. and if he was going to resell the script and you did a good job.. you would have made more money working long term for him. You really think short term.

When this post came out.. you should have said.. you know what. i missed a few deadlines.. here you go..

Im not saying your not a honest person.. Im sure in your head and intentions for things -- you're just that. However, by not giving him the source code encrypted or not.. thats just stealing.

the part that took long Im sure was the flash.. because you can do a lot in a week.. save a file.. you see changes. so YOU didnt work 3 months straight on that website. that's bull..