Who is discriminated against more today in the United States? White Males? Or Who?

So, let me see if I have this right.

You say discrimination is wrong though you ACKNOWLEDGE it has not affected your life.

Well, there are tens of millions of non-white males who experience discrimination on a daily basis (housing, education, law enforcement, employment, banking and finance, newspapers, entertainment, health, etc.) whose lives ARE AFFECTED!

To say you are in a position to speak on discrimination, when you say it doesn't affect your life, compared to someone who experiences it daily, seems just a bit DISINGENUOUS.

How do you expect to have a revelant opinion on a subject you ADMIT you have no experience?

That's why I find your arguments self-serving and condescending and you shouldn't be surprised when others do too!

 

Where did I 'acknowledge' that it never effected my life?

There are millions of white males who are effected daily, be it not able to get a small business loan, or a scholarship. I myself am against all discrimination, you however appear to be only against select discrimination, that's pretty sad.

Again where did I say I never had it effect my life? Even if it didn't I can not speak from experience from what others have told me, from what I have read, very interesting.

Really now, and why might I ask are you 'qualified'

This takes the cake, you accuse me of admitting to never have discrimination against me 'which is false' but now claim it's self serving for me to discuss it. Why would it 'serve' me if it does not or never did effect me?

 

Let me make this simple.

If white males experience so much discrimination, or discrimination which materially effects their lives on a daily basis, whose fault is this?

If white males are such victims of discrimination in the United States, who do you blame?

What can a white male do in the US to stop the discrimination against them?

 

Oh you wouldn't rather lie like your usual?

Ohyeah you still are, I never stated white males as a whole. See I am not stuck on race, like some are. That's the difference, I would rather see helping ANYONE who needs help, NOT basing it off of race.

 

Let me see if I can help GRIM, since some people seem to have a hard time understanding.

1. We should not discriminate against anyone.
2. Disadvantaged people, regardless of race, gender, nationality, should be offered help equally, if they are offered help.
3. If help is given to disadvantaged people, it should be done it a way as to be as fair to everyone else too, so that by advantaging one group, we don't inadvertantly disadvantage another group.

An example of this would be:

Oprah Winfrey has a child. That child should not be entitled to any special financial assistance for school due to the fact they can check some box on a form saying they are black. If Oprah's gardener is white and is barely making ends meet, their child might need some financial assistance for school - that white person (accept that they are disadvantaged for this example) should not be denied aid just because they check a box saying they are white and male.

That is obviously just an example, and not a perfect one. But the point is that the help, if given, should be given based on actually need of the person, not on some racial, gender, or other box checked on some form.

Now, that being said, there is obviously a correlation and more minorities would probably be disadvantaged and would get more aid. That is fine with me. My feeling is just that it should be based on actual circumstances of the person.

 

If I could give you green right now browntwn I would

That is what I've been trying to say, simply put better than I have

 

I can agree with that in principle.

But, history has shown it all depends on who gets to decide the remedy.

My point is the same people who are creating the problem are also deciding the remedy.

Don't think that's going to work.

Remember the title of this thread.

It is an indulgence many Americans do not have.

 

You see a rich white politician as the same as a poor white man.

Somehow I don't think the poor white man feels any less discriminated against because the person who made the discriminatory policy was of his same race.

The simple point is that it that is not right to give someone an advantage based on their race or gender when they do not need it, and it is not right to deny someone an advantage based on their race or gender when they do need it.

 

Yet, you see it everyday (if you honestly look) in the news, on TV, in the government, in business, in the courts and jails, in credit, in movies, everywhere, everyday.

I think we are all saying the same thing, we want a meritocracy.

Yet, I say most people are lying to themselves if they say they TRULY want a society based on merit.

What they really mean is they want to get things their way and if they don't the system is unfair.

How anyone can say white males are the most discriminated group in the US leads me to this line of thinking.

 

Unfortunately, society does not reflect fairness when it comes to race and gender. I do agree that economics overcomes all types of discrimination.
No one discriminates against people with money, no matter what race they are.

 

I BTW am not and have never been arguing that white males are the most discriminated group in the US

Simply because that is the thread title does not equate that you can only take part in it to prove/disprove the title of the thread.

 

When companies start having to "search" for minorities just to hire, this will be the time that Affirmitive Action became dumb.

Thank you.

 

The thread title is asking who? At one time Indians were the most discriminated group, but now I don't think they are. I was asking which group was. I wrote whites males due to some hiring practices involved and some recent college rulings.

A college fund or scholarship offered to white males would be called racism and ruled against in court. Why can SAT/ACT standards be lower for minorities at some colleges. The academics standard should be the same for all students regardless of skin color or gender. Why can black universities and all female universities exist but male universities are not allowed? Whhe NCAA limit the number of male sports through title IX?

Why are the loan standards different according to race or gender?

Exactly the point I was making. When a SBA loan or academic standard is based on skin color or gender a problem exist. The standard required to get a job, loan or into college should be the same for all people and not a sliding scale that favors select groups.