Who is discriminated against more today in the United States? White Males? Or Who?

I wouldn't call that discrimination unless it was based on race or sex.

 

That's interesting. I saw a Discovery (well I THINK it was Discovery) show about gender equality, and they were discussing the physical test to become a fireman (or woman). At the time of filming, no woman had been able to pass the test, because it required a lot of upper body strength. They were trying to get the test changed so women could be fireman...er...firepersons as well. I don't remember where they were filming, and it was a few years ago, but they (thankfully) refused to change the test. I'm surprised NM would be so willing to change theirs.

 

poor white people, maybe they should elect some white government officials so they can get some repersentation

 

Too bad it's racist and politically incorrect to try to help out white people in most cases..

The white representatives are all about getting reelected, feeling good about themselves, so they help out the minorities because the 'evil rich whites' don't deserve anything, the entire time leaving the poor whites to rot.

How about if we are going to help we help everyone who is poor equally, and not based on any basis of their color, sex or other reason?

 

I think Black government officials will change the laws and get rid of affirmative action.

 

I concur. To my knowledge, quotas are illegal - ever since 1978, with the supreme court decision in Regents of the University of California v. Bakke
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Given this, and given what I know of employment litigation, I am very surprised to hear reports of disclosing reasons for non-hire as being due to the need to fill racial or gender quotas.

Affirmative action also needs to be distinguished from quotas. Affirmative action, as planned, was merely the attempt to more accurately reflect the demographic within a given labor market. In other words, in a given market with a diverse labor pool, an employer drawing from one demographic would be considered to fall afoul of the parameters established by Affirmative Action.

A guide:

http://www.equalrights.org/publications/reports/affirm/myth.asp

I freely admit I may be wrong, as I haven't looked at this seriously in quite a while, but from my understanding, outright quotas are verboten. And telling an applicant this is the reason for non-hire, given that this is a fast-track conduit to major litigation, seems extremely surprising to me.

 

I agree with your last statement entirely. That's what I find so hard to understand about my experiences.

We want equality for everyone, so let's make it hard to hire some people because we have to make sure we hire other people. Not a good solution to me....

I'm amazed that some people are finding this hard to believe. That is exactly what was said to me in two separate incidents.....

 

I think we agree on something. If I knew how to rep I would green rep ya. They're all worried about getting reelected instead of doing whats correct.

 

To be clear, firegirl, I didn't say I find it hard to believe, I said I find it surprising, since this is a direct lawsuit, and given how litigation-sensitive all employers are, to include public entities like the DOL/DOJ, etc., this astounds me. In other words, it seems to me that if this did happen, you have yourself a winnable suit.

 

i think asians, and other middle easterns are also discriminated

 

It does seem like that would be a lawsuit.

At one time affirmative action was needed. Minorities were treated horribly in the 50's and 60's but I think it has run its course.

 

I agree. The whole thing, in my opinion, is like many things - begun with good intentions, but in need of careful review to ensure it doesn't just become its own engine of wrong. I'm not sure whether I feel it has yet run its course, but I think many of the supreme court decisions and judicial review over the last several years have moved us towards a rightful review of "what is right, and what is wrong."

 

Socio economics are more complicated that skin color. I'd say the correct answer is that poor people are discriminated against the most.

 

It's a good point. Part of what must be addressed is the very heart of AA, from my understanding: are there institutional legacies in place that keep certain poor people poor? Uneducated? Unable to improve their lives because of a lack of opportunity to exploit whatever native abilities they possess?

In my opinion, none of this is about equality, which is a myth - we're not equal, and will never be. We all have different abilities, and different degrees of native endowments within each ability. But if there is something in place that institutionally prevents folks from rising to the best of whatever nature endowed them with, well, I think we have a problem.

"Equality" is non-existent. Equality of opportunity is a good thing, in my opinion.

 

affirmative action is kind of BS but you know there tons of employers out there who won't hire races other then their own

in fact I'll bet that was majority 30-40 years ago

 

I once had a job working for a guy in lawncare. He had no problem hiring someone of color but he refused to do their lawns. He said he had in the past, and they never payed him. It was an interesting example of the way racism can manifest itself. I personally think it was just his perception, and not reality.

 

Well..Well...Well...at least they talked to you. Many Black Men, and Women in this country don't even get the interview. Mexicans get discriminated against too...everyone does.
The big issue of discrimination to me is not about if you got the job or not. Nobody tells you the truth when you don't get a job...the bottom line is, unless they are federally funded, any employer can hire anyone he wants. You didn't get hired because they didn't want to hire you. They will tell you anything to alleviate telling you the truth, and telling people, "My hands are tied..it's this damn affirmative action thing"....sure that makes everyone walk away blaming somebody else.

"Wow, it really wasn't that guy's fault..it's the damn government and the Mexicans". Get over yourself!

No one can stop you from getting a job, if you are the best one in the door!

Yeah Right. I have been a manger at many places and told people all types of excuses as to why they didn't get the job, as long as someone else was the bad guy, I said what ever made them feel better, instead of "I just don't like the way you look".

The big issue of discrimination to me is..

Do the cops pull you over more often ?
Do you get lousy service in a restaurant or clothing store ?
Has anyone ever told you that you fit the description...? More than once in 5 different states ?
Have you ever been arrested for nothing, and let out days latter with no charges ? More than once ?
Do "white people" tell you Black jokes, as if, it is O.K. and not insulting, just because they "know you?
Has anyones father ever threatened to disown them if they dated you ?
Do "white people" that you don't know, walk up to you in nightclubs and ask you if you know where to get some "weed" ?
Do cabs pass you up ? Even when you are waving $100 bill ?

Have you ever been playing Billiards at a tavern, missing one of the balls, and when you asked the bartender for an 8-Ball, he tells you they don't sell Old English 800, and walked away?

If these things are not apart of your everyday life....EVERYDAY ! EVERY CITY ! 24/7 ! Then you have no idea what discrimination is.

Screw a job...I'll get a job. But are you treated differently in other areas of society. If not, then your discrimination cries are on deaf ears.

 

I get pulled over all the time for no reason, I am assuming it is the tented windows and loud music.
I get shitty service all the time, and have been followed around in plenty of stores by rent a cops.
Never had the fit the description thing, never actually been told the reason I was stopped walking around at night.
I haven't been arrested for "nothing" but I have been arrested on a BS charge with no evidence because a co-worker didn't like me, and once because the neighbor made up a story.
People tell me stupid jokes all the time, hell half the comics I actually DO laugh at are making fun of my cracker ass.
And yes I have had a few fathers even pull a gun on me.
Never had the old english thing though, although I once got jumped by 5 black guys at a party for no reason, I didn't even see it coming.
My point is that discrimination happens to everyone and racism is not a white phenomenon.

 

I couldn't agree more. We all have been treated unfairly for one reason or another, and it's no ones else's fault other than that Amercan Society is full of Arrogant, Paranoid, Whiners who want to blame others for their burdens.

I am responsible for my own life, and if I hit a road block, am I going to sit there and bitch about it, and look for someone else to blame or make sure to avoid the next one, and keep on, keeping on?

<Edited> That Bartender and I still laugh about that one till this day

 

Yes, poor white males Golly gee, I feel so sorry for us. It's just so hard being white and male. It's hard being over 90% of the people in serious power in this country. It's hard getting paid more than women for the same jobs. I mean damn, white males really got it hard. It's a sad life!

I just know that US government.. which is ran mostly by white men of course... is totally against... white men.