I did already, for as many documents as you can find that suggest blood transfusions waste life I can find another thousand proving it saves them, the bottom line is I don't feel the need to justify my opinion. The only reason murder charges are never brought is political correctness, it is murder - a child given the choice will ALWAYS choose to live, and if they dont you're not raising them right. It really doesn't matter what you post, or what you think, it's a disgusting way to behave; end of. And heres some reading for you ...... http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/video.htm
In a free world you can exercise your right to have a closed mind and throw unfounded accusations against those who believe in God and observe His commandments. Not even God forces you to listen to reasoned discussion or to believe that this life is not all that there is. Each of us is free to decide whether we feel it is disgusting to follow Gods laws or if it is disgusting to reject them in favour of worldly wisdom.
They arent unfounded at all, you reject reason because of your dillusions. God cannot control me because it does not exist, simple as that.
Good question! In some things balance or maybe we could call it compromise, is good ... essential even, you work with different people who have different interests, beliefs, cultural backgrounds. So you compromise over little things to ensure that you can all work together without causing conflict or friction. But can you compromise on everything? You are married but a girl at work want to have an affair ... can you compromise and still keep a good relationship of trust with your wife? To a Christian, there is nothing more important than loyalty to God and obedience to His laws - this has always been the case with Gods worshippers. Check the history of Israel and the requirements of the Law of Moses (as it was called, thought it was Gods laws). Disobedience to many of those laws led to the penalty of death! In the 1st century many Christians were persecuted, some told not to engage in preaching about Jesus e.g. Acts 4:18-20, (where two disciples were brought before the law courts of the day):- "With that they called them and charged them, nowhere to make any utterance or to teach upon the basis of the name of Jesus." What was their reply? "But in reply Peter and John said to them: “Whether it is righteous in the sight of God to listen to YOU rather than to God, judge for yourselves. But as for us, we cannot stop speaking about the things we have seen and heard.†and at Acts 10:27-29:- "So they brought them and stood them in the San′he·drin hall. And the high priest questioned them and said: “We positively ordered YOU not to keep teaching upon the basis of this name, and yet, look! YOU have filled Jerusalem with YOUR teaching, and YOU are determined to bring the blood of this man upon us.†In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men" Couldn't they have shown 'balance' and gone somewhere else or just stopped their preaching work? No! that would have been to reject their comission from Jesus to engage in that work and to carry it through. Similarly The bible is full of men and women who chose to serve God and obey His commands even when it led to extreme discomfort, suffering and even death. The situation is no different today for those who put God first in their lives. In Jesus' day there were those who were prepared to compromise and say that mens ways were more 'appropriate' than Gods ways; to these Jesus said:- "He said to them: “Isaiah aptly prophesied about YOU hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honor me with [their] lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines commands of men.’ Letting go the commandment of God, YOU hold fast the tradition of men.†(Mark 7:6-8) We cannot compromise with Gods laws, but in many other areas, where Gods laws are not at issue we do our utmost to compromise, living in peace with others and helping them as much as we can - hence our preaching work, carried out universally without fear or favour of race, colour or religion ... or rudeness.
I know what you mean, it's called spiritual blindness, or as Psalm 14:1 puts it, "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God"."
When I hear the same sort of wording from followers of the Watchtower in the US, the UK, and Australia that's just regurgitating to me. I often get a mental picture of one of those dolls that repeat something when you pull it's string. I already know what you will reply if I brought up the 8 or 9 or 12 times the Watchtower predicted of the end of the world so I don't need to bring it up. Early in this thread I cut and pasted a ten word phrase from either you or the other follower of the Watchtower into Google and the first link with the exact phrase was the Watchtowers site. I find it tiring to hear pre-progammed responses. Finally, a direct answer, you would take an innocent life if the current Watchtower directives were followed. No but I know of two that have died from another cults teachings about medicine. Regarding the scenarios of blood and death there are four combinations: Take blood - live: Great a life was saved by using the brain God gave us. Take blood - die: As with any life saving effort, some will die. Deny blood - live: A risk not worth taking. Deny blood - die: Total waste of human life, suicide or murder by omission. I don't just follow the medical communities directives. I strongly advised someone very near to me not to take chemo. Surgery and radiation was enough. But if it came down to take chemo and live, I would have no problem accepting it even if my church had come up with a private interpretation against it.
Well you see the bible refers to Gods Word as 'truth', Jesus said, "You will know the truth and the truth will set you free". How many truths can there be? How many different versions of one truth would you expect to find? Jesus said that he wanted his followers to be at one, "That they all may be one, [just] as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe and be convinced that You have sent Me.". So it should be no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses, who adhere to the bible, make the same response the world over to questions regarding bible teaching, kindda sets them apart from many other religions don't you think? No, no JW would take the life of another! In relation to personal decisions about blood it is not in response to Watchtower directives but rather bible directives. The Watchtower outlines what the bible says about blood and encourages its followers to make their decision as to what they will do to maintain their integrity to Gods law when faced with a medical issue involving blood. In recent years advances with blood has meant that fractions have become available, (immunoglobulins, interferons etc) and new means of blood salvaging, (haemodilution, cell salvage, heart-lung pump etc), something that was never possible in the past. So, for example, in response to these advances the Watchtower has issued guidance on what constitutes blood and what is a blood fraction; as the bible does not list any specific laws regarding blood fractions the Watchtower has directed that the use of blood fractions should be a matter for each witness to decide for themselves whether they will accept such or not. Okay so that's a non-issue in respect to JW's and blood. 1) God gave man a brain to design weapons of mass destruction, torture and abuse ... greater though were the laws in His word to enable us to use our brains wisely and to His glory. 2) How sad if someone were to lose his/her life and also lose their integrity to God. 3) The medical community would not agree with you. 4) In many areas of life people are prepared to sacrifice their lives for a principle that is important to them - may be a soldier on the battlefield or a person that risks his own life to save that of another. Not so unusual that someone should have a similar feeling toward integrity to God and His laws. That is your personal right.
Spiritually blind only exists if you believe in spirits, and I don't, so another void argument from you ...... what it's actually called is common sense. What makes you think the bible is any sort of proof of anything anyway, it's just an old book, lol .....
Your limitations don't limit the validity of my argumentation. Your lack of understanding of, or belief in, the inspiration of the word of God does not limit its power or its value.
I would say the cell of a human body is probably more complex than a cell phone. I am convinced that human bodies and human cells exist. But because human cells exist, that does not prove God exists. You are making an assumption based on your belief/faith.
Hey! God says something like this in the Quran too: "And when they'll be asked to believe, they will say, "The way the fools believe, should we believe too?". Verily, they themselves are the fools but they know not"
Ok. Why don't you find cell phones on Mars? Because there is no man there! So cell phone exists because man exists! Similarly, if there wouldn't be God, there wouldn't be human cells anywhere! So man exists because God exists! Get it?
Really ?? God only exists in minds, it is not a physical being, and so it can only exist in minds that believe in god, since I do not, it has no more power to me than the god of any other religion has to you, of course, it's got no power at all, you're just too weak to realise that you're all on your own, and your last breath will be the end. Honestly, it really does limit his power, I cannot feel it one single bit, hope that clears it up for you. I understand it perfectly, thanks, you cannot refute something you do not understand.
In the book of Rebecca it saith, "Those who try to pick out my words in an attempt to belittle people on the great and glorious Digital Point, really should not be taken very seriously."
I understand it perfectly since I was once ignorant like you and did not accept that God could exist, however as it was in my case, a disbelief in God does not in any way affect His existence, power or purpose, You are right, God is not a physical being but rather is a spirit, of course you don't believe. You believe in the wind and in electricity which you also cannot see because you see the effects but you are blind to the effects of Gods activity. "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles." (Romans 1:20-23)
Again with quoting the bible, can you not think for yourself, these words mean nothing to me, your reasoning is totally void.
I'm sorry but I can't be held responsible for your limitations in understanding, the fact that the words of the bible mean nothing to you does not result from a failure on my part. What makes you think that quoting from the bible means that I can't think for myself, it was thinking for myself that convinced me of the truth of the bible and the existence of God in the first place.
I don't think that, it's apparent, in that you feel the need to backup every one of your thoughts with a passage from the bibile, suggesting they aren't actually your thoughts at all. If you actually had applied logic and reason to the stories written in the bibile, you would come to the only conclusion that there is, that the bible is not historic or scientific fact and should have dismissed it, but you didn't, you chose to accept it because it makes you feel you have the answer to everything but as we have already discovered these are not your answrs.
The bible certainly doesn't contain my thoughts, it contains Gods thoughts; whilst they aren't my thoughts, they are what I believe in. I believe in them after making an objective study of the bible over many years and that from the standpoint of being an unbeliever. Many people have looked at the bible to disprove it and ended up finding out that it is indeed the word of God. The fact that they and I quote from the bible does not mean that they are incapable of thinking, it was the ability to think that brought them to make that choice for themselves in the first place. But logic and reason are essential to understanding the bible, God our Creator is the greatest scientist ever to exist. The bible contains scientific fact, for a simple example, when men thought that the earth was supported by an elephant standing on the back of a turtle the bible clearly stated "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7), {sorry but essential to the logic}. Check out the regulations given to the Israelites about dealing with dead bodies, quarantine in illness etc; although the causes of infection and transfer of disease was unknown at the time, Gods laws demonstrated the medical and scientific knowledge of our Creator. As for 'historical fact' have you never heard of the historians Tertullian or Josephus, both of whom provided evidence supporting the bible and the existence and work of Jesus Christ? Have you never read any of the many reports from archaeologists concerning how their excavations have proved the accuracy of many parts of the bible? See I don't think its me who is failing to apply logic and reason to the discussion.