White House Releases President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate

Nice tactic by Obama, he hides his birth certificate until his opponents question more and more where he was born, then years later he comes out with his certificate, now he has shown that he was being unjustly being attacked. He wins, birthers lose.

 

Soon the Sun will be shining and the idiot Trump is but only one cloud of the many that will part their way to the inevitable that the Liberals have saved the nation from the Republican economic catastrophe.

Trump without any help has given Obama a victory as George points out that was never an issue.

 

Well, I will play devil’s advocate.
Obama is a bum, never, been to school and have no proof of any kind. So what?

I won’t put list of geniuses school drop outs, I’m sure you know who they are, who became self-made bright stars and have
achieved much more than some Bozos with Universities degrees but if Obama managed to get where he is now without
any education, then he is the smartest man in US history and thus deserved to be American President even more so.

Don't you think so?

BTW, Stalin was school drop out and has committed banks robberies before 1917.



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You had me sold, all the way up to the comparison to Stalin. Not sure he's an ideal example of successful bums.

@IsraeI: I can't believe you put words to print that I actually agree with. Obama could have killed off the whole birther thing a couple years ago, but he chose to let it roll. There is little Obama does that doesn't have something to do with stage craft. All part of the comedy of our political process.

In that spirit, I would propose that the newly released birth certificate is a FAKE!!!

 

So at what point of this silly debate should the onus go to you to prove that, rather than Mr. Obama?

 

O_Nation: Before you make any more comments, you are obligated to show us all your report cards from school: That is if you attended school.

 

He has been THE ideal and THE best example of bum who for 40 years managed to fool
the whole world, including USA and to convince the world that he is legitimate leader.

If Obama like Stalin managed to convince American public that he is not a bum and got
elected as result, then why not, after all they both had over 90% of brainless peasants
/ rednecks who would believe anything starting with the skies are falling.

But I bet you already know that.



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Quite simple the smaller the US sphere of influence is the more China expands it's influence and that is the worst thing possible .

 

well then if that affects you more than anyone else, go ahead and ask obama what you may want.
if it makes you happy ask for his high school diploma.

 

Never! Slogans like "Bush Lied, People Died!" require no proof. They are statements of fact and they help win elections. We have more information at our fingertips than any time in history, and birther/truther movements are stronger than ever.

Earlpearl! Welcome back man. You can have the report cards, its the attendance records I'd rather keep private .

So people deserve their leaders. Agreed. Its a big part of the reason I don't sympathize with the Palestinians too much. After all, they put Hamas in power.

 

I want the US to be strong and prosperous . Isn't that in his job description already ?

Also i don't give a a dam about his certificate , milk bottle tops or time in jail . Those are just boring details .

 

HALF

The only people who still seemed interested in this issue are on the far left... Most on the right could give a rats ass... I think many initially questioned why revealing it was an issue. The validity of the bc was not in question. Only the reasons why it was such a secret.

The case is not really closed.. There's still a question of why it was such a big deal to reveal it. It's pretty obvious now why its being released. Its part of the larger picture with regards to the re-election bid.

What I am more interested in is a copy of is Grades and proof (a degree) that he actually attended and graduated from Harvard. I have my doubts that he made it past grade 3 based on his performance in the WH.

 

You said you didn't see why this was big news after that whole conversation we'd just had. So the label I gave you fits perfectly.

It is also completely separate from all the facts and statements I made prior to it that refuted everything you said.

I know it's in your best interests to pretend that just because I called you a moron, everything else that I said before that never existed; but unfortunately for you, this is a forum. It's literally right there on the same page... So trying to say I didn't put up an argument and just called you names on a PAGE/THREAD FULL of me putting up arguments kind of proves that you are in fact a moron.

Sorry

 

Whoa, all CAPS huh?

I'm really curious as to why folks are always trying to make that distinction. Now I'll give my own trump-style conspiracy here and say that perhaps it's because it burns so badly that there is a black President in the White House that you have to cling to the fact that his mother was white? Because beyond that, it's tough to see what difference it makes that he's only half. Can you better explain that?

Now I wonder, what would you call him if he were in the news for something else like I dunno, robbing an old married couple at gun point? Would you say, look at that damn HALF. Or would you say, look at that black man?

Would the news reporting the incident say the suspect was an unidentified half breed or would they say he was African American?

Read the first post, numbers 1 and 2 and thanks for proving I was right in #2.

This holds no water... Like I said in an earlier post this thread. If he really wanted this to help him politically he'd have done it in 2012 while the election was in full swing instantly making his opponents look like a bunch of raving lunatic birthers and pushing him over the top just like the economy did in 2008.

 

If you are going continue to make race an issue, I'm going to correct you where I can. Would you refer to me as the first Italian American President because my Mom is full blooded first generation Italian American?

I think it's rather disingenuous to refer to an American President as a Black President. Why make race an issue to begin with? If you want to be technical about it, he's the first BI-RACIAL president. Not black.

He's half African and half caucasian.

The fact that you fail to see the difference is a bit disturbing. The fact that you assume my statement is racist is just deplorable.

Look at that man.

You see, I don't see the difference or make it an issue like you do. Why do you think I pointed out your mistake. If you are going to refer to him by race, at least have the common decency to do it properly.

Wow, you really misinterpreted my comments. Its amazing how a correction with regard to race can generate such racist undertones. Obama is half African American. Not because of color, or the traditional "African American" bs used to identify people of color who's origins in many cases was not even the African continent.

I'm talking about a father who was an African citizen from Africa. That's what makes him Half African. Same thing that makes me Half Italian.

What that proves is you have a different opinion.

It's completely politically motivated. Given he's been on the re-election phase of his presidency for the last month, I'd say you can pretty much bank on it.

Same as what?

White supremacist? Helveti, do you even know what race I am?

Why are you two guys so defensive here?

Look at the birth certificate. Caucasian and African. Nothing in there about black.

Half Caucasian and Half African... Nothing about black.

But hey, I'm not the one running around making this about race. I'm not the one saying things like "First Black this and First Black that..."

Again, its completely disingenuous and entirely inaccurate to describe Obama as being "black".

Anyway, what does it matter? I thought what was in question here was whether he was American, not Black.

I guess that's where we differ. I see a man, not a black man.

You two are a sad bunch.

 

First... it doesnt matter what color he is, or whether he's bi-racial or he's black
Either is technically a correct statement depending on what scale you go on... cause the US does have history on that topic, and the only time we've had any guidelines on what constituted "black" was during the era of slavery. In that era he'd have been classified as black. Currently people are allowed on our census to self-classify race. Whether someone with his parentage considers themself as black or bi-racial, either term is defensible.

It's kind of a non-issue IMO. Other's mileage may vary.

On the birth cert
He isnt the first to be asked... there was a rumor about McCain having been born outside the US at one point. I was surprised the Pres waited so long to unearth the doc in this case, but on the bright side maybe more weighty matters can be discussed at election time now. The topic of performance matters a lot more than a sideshow on technical eligibility.

As an aside...
Jeremy's never said anything in this forum that warrants calling him a "white supremacist". Troll reported... so clean up your act, kid. Moves like that dont contribute to longevity. You might have been expected to pick up on that by now.

 

I know that's the right's favorite line. It's the liberals that are making race an issue in order to play the race card. Here's the problem with that... If you'll look up and read the title of this thread you'll see that this is about the President of the United States having to show his papers.

It's not because the liberals are making it a race issue. It's because the folks behind all the "doubt" have a clear motive and it's not that they really believe the birther nonsense. Any person in their right mind can see the birther nonsense was hogwash from the start. You yourself are saying he held out for political reasons. But that is simply evading the the real question here. Why was he being asked to in the first place? If he hadn't been asked in the first place there would be no need to hold out. So why was it even a question? Why was the state of Hawaii's statement not good enough? Why was his birth announcement in the paper not good enough? Not necessarily for you, but for ALL the birthers?

His race is a factor in this birther nonsense. Saying he's HALF like that means no one could possibly be motivated by racial bigotry in their dislike for him is what's really disingenuous.

Politically correct and exactly what I'd expect to hear in a public forum. Perhaps that's exactly what you would say in the privacy of your home as well. I guess I'll have to take your word for it just like everyone says when asked if they truly believe the President was born in Hawaii. Not a simple yes I believe you or no I don't.

And you see that's my point. You're trying to point out that he's half when the whole point I'm trying to make is that that's not how the people who hate him see him. I absolutely do not fully expect you to understand because you are not black and have (I'm going to assume) never been looked upon or treated as black. But if you are of mixed decent, to the point where you look African American, you are black/African American or whichever you want to call yourself and are likely to identify yourself as such.

President Obama understand that as well. That's why we can probably put this argument to rest with a simple statement. . President Obama identifies himself as black. So it wasn't a mistake. My calling him black correct in that it is not only as he defines himself but as the people fueling this problem define him as well. You're trying to correct me but your premise is irrelevant to this particular set of circumstances. We shouldn't see color of skin, but people do. My argument is that those people are using this issue as a proxy issue to say what they really feel.

Nope, I said "He knew that they would still find something to use to doubt him no matter whether he released it or not. You'll see that over the coming weeks, I guarantee it.

So there ya have it. Case not closed"

Then you said:

"The case is not really closed.. There's still a question of why it was such a big deal to reveal it."

That's not a difference of opinion. That's you indisputably doing exactly what I said you would do.

The problem I have here is the word "completely". He's a politician. Even when he's doing good there's some political motivation behind it. The administration knows it would have favored them far better to release it in 2012 if this were a purely political move. You don't seem to be able to refute that.

 

Like I was saying, he's not the only one that's ever had people contesting whether he could be president based on a situation associated with a birth certificate. Do a Google search on John Mcain on that topic. Here's an article from 2008 where Ron Paul addresses the subject and concluded that though a citizen... he personally wouldn't consider McCain eligible to gain his vote because he was born outside the continental US.

Topic: Ron Paul
John McCain Born in Panama, can he even be President?
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Conclusion: Questions of this nature are part of the political scene.

 

exactly, since of course you want to help US to be strong and prosper, you can oust him by asking his diploma and prove his not worth like trump did.

 

I believe your post only reinforces the point George is making about the Republicans not caring when McCain is the subject matter but having endless regards with respect to the subject being an African American.

Not to mention his citizenship by proxy having an American mother - the same as McCain.