White hat, black hat

yfs1 maybe I should pull some of your completely fabricated forum propaganda that you expect members to believe, do you really think the members here are dumb enough to believe the unfounded shit you attempt to make up about me man

Maybe your really thinking that by taking shots at me that it will make you a big star here, but I can tell you that will not work in your favor.

 

I'm not making it up.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=193981&postcount=31

 

Again let the members decide on your mentality and the points you bring home, I have already judged you unfit and a member that I really don't want an association with.

 

Since this was moved from General Chat, I won't post any more. Attack me all you like but I still think it was a valid topic.

 

Like yfs say, you should know these methods, whether you use them or not...

Also, whether or not the members of DP use black hat techniques is neither here nor there...

We were talking about black hat SEO techniques... You weren't.
Therefore, we ignored you.

Get over it.

 

Get over what, the smart assed comments, they are in the record for the members to judge, let them be the judge of the thread.

 

OK anthony...

 

Ok, this thread needs to get back on topic..

 

I agree with Yfs1 and here's another good one: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=194273&postcount=85

I also agree with SEbasic, this thread is about SEO not about pop unders and what not.

And AC, if you want to let the DP members decide on Yfs1's fitness/mentality, just look at the rep list and you'll notice he's miles ahead of you; even more so in rep/post ratio. We don't care you think he's unfit. And btw, personal issues shouldn't be polluting this thread so please stop it.

You caused a new member who had done nothing but voice his quality opinions to leave again. And you always moan about 'damage to the forum'. Give us a break.

I don't know what's up but you seem to be annoying a hell of a lot of members here recently. What's the matter dude?

Anyway, back OT please. This was about what constitutes white hat or black hat SEO and evolved into what is acceptable or what one should know vs do.

Personally I think it's not something you can easily discuss since it's very subjective. It's like discussing whether it's OK to drive 3 miles over the speed limit.

If you can add value to the end user experience with whatever technique, go for it.

 

No one said anything about the topic being valid or not, are you grasping at straws yfs1?

Really what is the difference on where the thread is, that is another thing I have heard you post about me, "Oh Anthony should stay in the South of the forum" (General Chat) because he is not intelligent enough to be with "US GREAT SEO EXPERTS"

Man that is some real wisdom on your part and some great propaganda yfs1, where does your ego cook this shit up at

QUOTE from TOPS: "I don't know what's up but you seem to be annoying a hell of a lot of members here recently. What's the matter dude?"

I think you got it wrong TOPS, there are members jumping out to attack me to garner attention for themselves and administration just sits back and gives me bad rep. when I give return to those who attack me, ask Shawn, he will tell you all about it.

 

I think its an area the majority of webmasters don't understand. I would add that most SEOs don't understand every aspect.

I see time and time again posts which basically say "How is this guy above me?" Time and time again its due to cloaking or some other method. If its a relevant result it doesn't really bother me.

Just about the only method off Micks site that I DO have big issues with is the content harvester. This IMO can have the most effect against a webmaster that is strictly within the Google TOS.

PS Anthony, if you really want to discuss your rants further please start a thread in the underground. I never said "because he is not intelligent enough to be with "US GREAT SEO EXPERTS"" so please keep it out of here.

 

ok, so, where can you find live examples of cloaked sites and other black hat techniques ? I would like too see a few examples. Or what to look out for will do.

 

Look for sites that have no cache listed in google

 

I posted a non-cloaking example here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=17502&highlight=expect+google

See #2 of this SERP for cloaking example: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=adsense

 

A good start is to compare the cached version to the actual version. THe cached version will have exactly what the bots see, and is usually just a keyword stuffed page. In comparison the real page may have very little content and be clean in design.

I will try to post a few of the more spammy examples as they are the easiest to detect.

 

I don't consider this to be bad cloaking. After all, the content is the same, it's just not sending the large amount of graphics to the spider so the content becomes more relevant. I don't think that there is a material difference between the two.

Now, the sites that provide comletely different content to the se's than what the webpage acutally contains is definitely spam.

Here's another example of what I call 'acceptable cloaking': see the arlon link

 

That's right, but if the content is still relevant, then it's not the end of the world, and I'd personally say it was acceptable(ish).

 

Its the ish part that scares people. I personally think less than 1% of cloakers ever see a ban. Maybe its because SEO's talk about it nonstop that people are so scared of it. I would have loved to have heard if Mick ever had a site actually banned for cloaking.

That being said, the ish part falls into risk/reward. Even if the percentage IS 1%. I can't risk the loss of income if I became one of those 1%.

It also has to do with industry. Certianly there is more pressure to use cloaking if you are a casino site, then if you sell bedroom slippers. In the second case they can get to #1 a lot easier with cloaking then the first example of casino sites.

 

They must have fixed it since they got so much stick:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/26/1757228&from=rss

 

The biggest problem with the coop is members who rely on it as a magic potion and then neglect any other work they could do on that site. Then they come crying when their rankings disappear. You get out what you put in. I have never joined the coop and am not sure I ever will. But I have some advice for those who join:
Never deactivate your brain. keep doing what has been helping you before while you are in the program. After all it is an "advertising program" correct, not an almighty seo quick fix

Mike