White hat, black hat

So you don't think pop unders and traffic redirects are part of "BH" SE

 

Cmon Anthony, We were trying to have an actual conversation on soemthing Web Related. I'm actually interested in Micks responses because everyone is usually so Anti to these methods.

I dont use any of them myself but it helps to know more about those that do.

Just give us this one thread....Pleeeeeaaaaase

 

I never use popus or unders.
They are very old and annoying.
I like to keep things a bit more discreet.
Sure i lose a few sites and they get banned but at $6 a pop you dont have to get much traffic for them to turn a profit

 

Pop ups and Popunders are hardly considered "Blackhat".

Almost every major news organization uses them.

 

I dont see why they use them.
Everybody now has popup blockers.
Those xhtml slideins are best becuse you can have them cover the entire page but thats just marketing and not evil.

 

Well getting traffic and "BH SEO" are two different things, you don't need to get high rankings in Search Engines to get traffic if you are high jacking browsers, using adware, porn landing page redirects and other traffic high jacking methods such as buying dropped domains and forwarding traffic to your favorite sites.

 

Looks like you have read a lot but not learned a lot.

 

So what are you saying, that I need to rush over to your forum to gain the wisdom that is in store there, wow I missed the boat I guess

 

No i am not saying that at all.
Not a one liner

 

Exactly, your making posts but saying very little, that I agree with

 

This has turned into a one on one with you and i dont want to spend my time chating with you.
Nothing against you but its just not my thing
Sorry but i am out of here.

Peace up guys,, you know when i am if you want to know anything.
You can also find me at http://forums.seochat.com/memberlis...before=&order=DESC&sort=reputation&pp=30&ltr=

 

WOW, I am sure all the members here are thankful that you left links to two other forums, thanks for everything man

Thanks for the links man, almost glad you showed up today

 

That had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Yet ANOTHER thread hijacked by the all knowledgable Anthony Cea.

Thank you for your keen professional insight Anthony. I'm sure the members on this forum are ever thankful for the wealth of SEO and marketing knowledge that you provide them all with on a daily basis.

 

He's just not getting it man. It's gotten old with alot of folks.

I hope it don't rain tomorrow!

 

If anyone ruined the thread SE it was your smart ass comments and what input did you give really, or the other guy?

Can you quote any

 

To make a simple statement on all of this: I wouldn't use the black hat for my sites that I am running long term with names I want to keep also, but then again we have many #1 spots so why would I need to use black hat SEO?

Now if I was making adsense only sites and wanted to be listed now - black hat all the way! Like it was mentioned before: risk vs. reward and no it isn't unethical if you are relevant and not trying to trick people to see p0rn or something that wasn't searched for.

 

Exactly!

Nothing nasty, nothing malicious, just makin' money...

 

Noppid, you better get off the "Trash Anthony Train" or it is going to cost you long term man

Don't doubt me old buddy

I don't care what SE says because he is subject to sudden outbursts from the day I met him, but you don't need to stoke the fire man or I am going to come on your forums and trash you man

 

I think speaking of seo in terms of "good" and "evil" is corny.

The way I look at it is your competitors are you enemy, and you should try to beat them anyway possible.

The search engines look at optimizers as a tolerable nuisance to the enemy.

The average surfer doesn't know or care what SEO is.

Basically to up to you to make a living for yourself, becasue no one else cares if your business lives or dies.

So trying to limit yourself to what other "competitors" (thats what other seos are) tell you can and can't do seems pretty foolish. I think all the black hat white stuff is just a bunch of marketing crap.

I am about making as much money as possible so I can enjoy my life the way I want, there is nothing "evil" or "good" about it.

 

When I have done SEO for others sites I stick with white hat there too. I tell them I will do things that are considered good by the search engines so we don't risk banning them. The people I have done SEO for are looking to keep the sites long term and are not wanting to get banned and have to start over and make a new name, etc..

The other issue is some black hat techniques are annoying to the end customer and they just want to get away from the site and usually can't without shutting off the browser or worse their computer. Or the end user loses trust right away.

I personally won't do business with a site that is using black hat techniques, because I lose trust right away.

-- just my other 2 cents worth --