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Which religion is the Oldest religion in the world?!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Antology, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #81
    Consider the being and the reproduction, forget the hen evolving, the being comes first doesn't it. its not spontaneous evolution from a multi celled egg-like life form
    SEMrush
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #82
    Pinpointing the first creature which could be called a chicken would be difficult, but we don't need to do that.

    Imagine a long line. At the begining is something which could under no circumstances be called a chicken. At the other end is a chicken. Now, if all of the steps which lead to "chicken" are hatched from an egg then the first chicken must have come from an egg. Why are you having such a hard time grasping this?
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    #83
    I'm thinking about reproductive cell development before or after regular cell development
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #84
    Well try thinking about what I have said instead. Show me the floor in the logic or conceed that the egg inevatibly had to come before the chicken. Then I'll follow you dou down the rabbit hole chasing the tangent
     
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    #85
    with evolution, the egg came before with reptile eggs, but my thinking was cellular in nature and I was thinking about the first multi celled organism being mitotic or meiotic
     
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    #86
    What does that have to do with it?
     
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    wptheme Well-Known Member

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    #87
    I believe what you say :)
    But where does Eve comes? I thought it is Hawa. Adam and Hawa.
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    #88
    if your consider the evolution of the reptile to hen as a being and where the hen is considered a hen being instead of a reptile then this discussion goes toward the cellular
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #89
    No it would go towards our clasification of various forms of life into species, genus, family order and class. A chicken is only a chicken because thats what we named that type of animal so everyone knows what we are talking about.
     
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    #90
    We differ in approach there, cellular vs taxonomy
     
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    #91
    I just read 2 pages of chicken or the egg arguments between 2 people and it was hilarious.

    +rep to you both.
     
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    Damocles Peon

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    #92
    If it was evolving there would be a time when a hen would hatch from an egg from a different species of animal. The egg would come first in evolution.

    Hence the age-old question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

    The question is basically asking if you believe in evolution (egg-first), or that God created us and the chicken just as they are (chicken first).
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #93
    Oh sweet Raptorjesus.

    The egg has the mutations, not the goddamn hen. If the fucking proto-hen never laid the goddamn egg with the true hen in it - because of mutation happening and only being passed on when a male squiggly wiggly combines with a female egg, there would be no goddamn chickens and no goddamn KFC.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND? NO KFC! IT WOULD BE Kentucky Fried Raptor!
     
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  14. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #94
    There's an easier and non-theological way of explaining the chicken and the egg.

    Potentiality vs. Actuality.

    An egg is a potential chicken.
    A chicken is an actual chicken.

    Potentiality always precedes actuality.

    Problem solved. :D
     
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    #95
    Most spontaneous evolution would be from reproduction, your correct
     
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    #96
    There is no spontaneous species change from one thing to another overnight. It is incremental mutations which only the egg will carry and pass one if it survives (which it obviously did), or did you not notice the words "Proto-chicken"?
     
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