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Which is more democratic, United States or European Community?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by The navigator, Jun 9, 2008.

  1. LogicFlux

    LogicFlux Peon

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    #21
    Umm, he was a pretty big dude. Not hunormous but big. You just like to fight, don't you? :)

    My painting your position as conspiratorial was my honest answer. I don't see things as being controlled from the top down by elites. I don't think the media and political system are in cahoots in some grand way.
    The problems you point out with the system and attribute to global conspiracy I attribute to voter apathy.
    SEMrush
     
    LogicFlux, Jun 9, 2008 IP
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  2. hexinator

    hexinator Peon

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    #22
    is there such a thing as democracy?

    USA is a capitalist country, been there, seen people in the corporate rat-race

    EU is a socialist system with a big bureaucracy that consists of old rotten men
     
    hexinator, Jun 9, 2008 IP
  3. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #23
    Not really. You just rubbed me the wrong way.

    Right, but you don't know much if anything about the people you choose to vote, or not vote for, so with that in context, if you don't know what you are voting for, how could I possibly expect you to see how the system is constructed to maintain the status quo.

    I forget where I was reading it, but the entire thing boils down to polling. If you don't prove yourself in the media, you don't get included on the polls, or on the primary poll menu. But if you don't poll well, you can't prove yourself to the media.

    One last question, I won't be back to read your answer. Just food for thought.

    What % does a Presidential candidate need in national polling to get included in the Presidential debates? And are Presidential debates sponsored by the state, or private corporate interests?

    Because if this is such a healthy democracy, I'm wondering why we only have two choices every 4 years, and that has been the status quo with the exception of Ross Perot for almost 100 years.

    Have a nice night.
     
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  4. jimmybloggs91

    jimmybloggs91 Peon

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    #24
    well to answer the op's question, id say America for the whole of the country, because i live in England and i know more about who is the president of America and who is going to be up in the next election than i do about the president of the EU, maybe thats just me
     
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  5. LogicFlux

    LogicFlux Peon

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    #25

    Most of us don't have the time that you dedicate to achieving your unique state of enlightenment. As long as we have jobs and stuff I guess we are doomed to just being blissful, ignorant sheep. :)



    How can I when I have to worry about the CFR invading my house with black helicopters!!
     
    LogicFlux, Jun 9, 2008 IP
  6. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #26
    A lot of the discussion of two party systems v. coalition governments is interestingly discussed in the work of Seymour Martin Lipset, an important thinker in the area of social cleavages and sociology generally. Here's my brief thought on the "why" of 2-party systems, such as in the U.S.:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=7225042&postcount=206

    In other words, one can rail against the two party system, but I think to do so ignores the underlying reasons why the two parties do or do not thrive. In this context, I've always found this notion of "direction" in competition fairly interesting. I hope it gives some food for thought.
     
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  7. Matts

    Matts Berserker

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    #27
    Just in reading this I'd say the US because:

    The Senate with its 2 people per state evens out the balance and prevents the large states from assuming control via the House of Reptiles.

    But ... the reality is the businesses are in charge in the US so I don't know if it matters one way or the other. The Freedom of Speech argument extending so widely to business speech that we get soooooo much junk from email, telemarketing, US mail, (sometimes) people knocking on the door, etc just proves that.
     
    Matts, Jun 18, 2008 IP
  8. st_hart

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    #28
    i think both are democratic.
     
    st_hart, Jun 23, 2008 IP