Which candidate can do the best for the US economy?

I can't even understand why someone would vote McCain, it doesn't make any sense.

 

People should read more...No, not really, they don't even have to read anymore... We have the power of YouTube. But unless the MSM wants to get rid of MCCain, it won't happen. People just don't know what a flip-flop he is, people don't know how grave the economic condition is...

If the dollar crashed another 10% by July, people would start noticing, and listening more to Dr. Ron Paul.

 

A) Boortz does not make a profit on those books....he donated it to charity...so he is not writing them for profit...which once again shows you do not know what you are talking about.

B) the links you provided are just propoganda for the RP campaign, written by people who think they know what the fairtax is, yet don't care to find out the truth.

I recommend you go to boortz's website boortz.com and read the "Nealz Nuze" section...he posted chapter 13 (I think) of his new book. Go read it yourself.

 

Have you found out the truth yet d16? If memory serves me right you were proven to know very little about it last time around using your own sources

 

Those links are articles from 2 years before Ron Paul decided to run for President.

You didn't even look at them or the criticisms. Which is consistent with our last argument, where you promote the FairTax, but can't explain it.

Why waste my time with this? You couldn't answer questions on the FairTax before, you can't answer them now. Please go play in the sandbox or something, the big kids want to talk about economics.

 

The time is nearly too late, but there is still hope for Paul. According to Wikipedia McCain is still short of 30 pledged. Should all un-pledged delegates go to Paul, and McCain is short by even one - there will be a another round of voting... yes? So in that instance... there is hope, as those pledged delegates become free. Then a second round frees more. Then a third round frees just about all the rest.

Then it becomes the biggest event ever seen. Ever.

I'm also hoping to see the same thing happen with the Democrats. No clear leader for months. Revote after revote after revote, all the way until October. Mmmm, that would be delicious.

 

This shows your ignorance to the truth....why not go read the chapter? Afraid you will be wrong? Furthermore, how would I know that those articles talked about RP if I had not looked at them? I never said they were written this year. I do think they indeed are propaganda for the campaign though. It shows that RP was not in favor of the Fairtax, which was opposite of another candidate. BTW, those of you that think RP still has a chance really need to have a psychiatric eval...I am even willing to refer you to a friend of mine that is in the field.

 

D16, you're grasping at straws again because GRIM and I have owned you thoroughly and embarrassingly on the FairTax, which is just one of many subjects you are ignorant of.

RP isn't in favor of the FairTax because he is against any tax on income or consumption. Particularly progressive taxes like the FairTax which are open season on fraud due to the rebate checks.

Whatever. The good news is, as long as country goobers like Huckalove are pushing the FairTax, it won't go anywhere.

Real conservatives want cuts in spending, and sound monetary policy.

 

And we want our civil liberties to fly on an airplane and not be molested back.

 

That's simply not true. You've been owned so many times on economic issues that you should be embarrassed to continue pretending you know what you are talking about. Of course, the narcissistic mind is always obliged to inform others of how they "owned" someone in a discussion. Such big egos.

The memory that is best served, will recall that neither you or Grim had a clue about Fair Tax and rightfully admitted so.

Just because you can use Google to find anti-<insert whatever it is today, here> sites on a subject, doesn't make you an expert.

Don't know why anyone is still talking about Ron Paul anyway. He never could muster more support than what the fringe groups of America offer in the first place. His supporters made sure he would never have a chance and the exposure of his racial newsletters was the nail in the coffin. You'll have to wait around for the next "troofer" candidate. Let me guess, you've already jumped on the Ventura highway?

 

Actually Gtech I gave d16 the opportunity to sell me on the fair tax, I even used his own source he pointed to which showed his own source stating other than what he claimed.

You might wish to know about what you speak before you do so.

 

Were that true, it's a magnanimous offer to allow someone to convince YOU of something. Those opportunities are few and far between.

But as I said, you didn't know about the fair tax and admitted such. You were against it because Huckabee was for it. Let's not kid ourselves, k?

I might also point out that you finally came out and admitted that you didn't care if ron paul wrote his racist newsletters, you were still going to vote for him. Having admitted that, I find it next to impossible to accept your generous notion that you would give d16man an opportunity to convince you of something. Your mind was already made up. Huckabee supported it, so you had to be against it.

 

This is an econ thread. You're way out of your league.

I get it now. You're here because you got lost on the way to la-la land.

Unlike Huckaboo, he didn't quit. And now the Paulistas are taking over the conventions! Woooohoooo!

 

Not everyone can afford to stay in a Holiday Inn every night

Heh, no, I wasn't going to a Ron Paul kkk troofer party. That is kinda funny though!

RP quit before he even got started. The campaign was inept, staffed with people that didn't have a clue and RP gave up to save his seat in the house. They were ill-prepared to deal with his racist history and he sunk before he even got out of the harbor. Like I said, you'll have to wait for the next troofer candidate.

Huckabee stayed in, until McCain had the numbers needed for the nomination. Not quitting there.

It wouldn't surprise me that the looney fruits would attempt to take over the convention and disrupt things. That's the kind of people many of them are.

 

If you actually knew something about anything maybe you could.

It was not so much that I didn't know anything about it as it was I did not read everything on it, have you? Huckabee had nothing to do with why I do not support the fair tax.

You surely love to think you know why someone does or does not support something, yet you have the nerve to call others narcissists.

Nope I stated it all along Gtech I did not find the newsletters racist, I explained as much, over and over. But here you are still trying to claim I 'finally' did it.

D16 didn't even know of what he was talking about, Gtech I suggest you reread that thread. Anyone with any mental power at all can see it, do you truly want to continue to show the masses just how little you know?

Huckabee had nothing to do with why I am against the fair tax, I am seriously amazed anyone can have their head so far up their own ass as you prove time and time again yours is.

 

It's nice to see you around GTech. Maybe we can teach you a thing or two about economics this time around. Your pal R2G lost his nerve.

 

BTW curious..
Even 'if' I was totally against the 'fairtax' simply because of Huck, even if I didn't give d16 a shot to show me how great it was.

How does this take away from the fact that d16 was incorrect on multiple items, his own source proved him wrong.



Ahh I get it, it doesn't, but lets try to change the subject, message loud and clear.

Reminds me of why I don't come into this section much anymore No point...

 

I disagree. I've been around you long enough to know better.

I'm not interested in your struggle with narcissism. I know it's a crutch for you, but I didn't feel it was appropriate to bring it up.

This is somewhat true. You were in denial of blatantly racist newsletters. It was fun watching you claim they were not racist because you were too ashamed to not support RP anymore.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=5284688&postcount=85

Yeah, only grim can know what he's talking about. Thanks for the offer, but your suggestions have no value for me.

He had everything to do with it. I'm very impressed you can convince yourself otherwise. Then again, you managed to wholly convince yourself that racist newsletters were not racist. I guess you agreed with the contents of them.

Didn't take long to resort back to the usual. No worries though, I'm always flattered when you do.

Next?

 

I expect such egotistical statements from you. You can probably tone it down a bit though, now that grim is here to protect you

R2G lost his nerve? I doubt that. He was pretty easy going. I did enjoy watching him school you though. You were way out of your league with him. He probably got tired of your constant bashing of America and Israel, like most everyone else.

 

Fair tax:

Cons:

• Requires 30% GDP - I haven't re-read the pitch today, but many of the people claim a 23% tax would cover federal obligations. No way. We'd need 30% or more of all GDP raised in federal taxes or we're running more deficits and putting more downward pressure on the dollar. Since savings wouldn't be taxed, the actual retail tax rate might have to be even higher than 30%. You better believe it would go over 30% soon when Social Security and Medicare obligations reach maturity
  
• Still Subject to Tax Avoidance - Selling jeans out of the back of a truck? Smuggling Wii's through the underground market to avoid a huge markup? A "Fair Tax" creates a huge incentive to bring legal products into the country illegally
  
• Still Requires Tax Bureaucracy - Auditing retailers wouldn't go away, it would get bigger and require even more of the resources saved from individual audits.

Pros:

• Encourages Savings over Consumption - Since income saved isn't taxed until its spent, people are encouraged to "do without" voluntarily. Since we're broke, our banks are broke, and the government is broke, anything that encourages savings might just be worth it
• Make people realize the cost of taxes - But Only Temporarily! People would see the sudden rise in prices and think "Wow! Government is expensive maybe we should think about the stuff it does with this money." But of course, after a few years, people adjust to the new prices and don't really remember how much of their wages they used to lose to income tax.