Depends on what you mean with beginning. It can't be a reaction caused by nothing. That's simply impossible. One reaction can't start on it's own. That's against the natural law. Just like the eternity machine. It can't be created if more than 0% of the energy it use isn't recycle to fuel it, energy&materia can't be created from nowhere. What we do know however is that time is function used by humans to measure the shift of events. But it is probably not a clock for counting the beginning of the existance of everything. Considering my first argument, I would rather believe that the time which is a help object for humans is a dimention that has always existed, just like the first, the second and the third dimention. Some scientists believe that bigbangs always ends with a withdrawal, like a yo-yo. Ofcourse stars are separating itself faster and faster. But it doesn't mean that this an endless process but rather a beginning of explotion. But even if big bangs never withdraw, a bigbang could happen again once the materia reach a distance so the center of universe can experince an enormous flow of forces from dark&white materia far outside and somehow create another explotion. The last theory just came from my head 20-30 seconds ago. And mayby it just sounds like bollocks(I didn't try to make it proffesional, just like an example), but the fact is that somehow.. the universe has always existed. There's no start of the time. It has existed forever. The bible however tells us that god has existed forever, so the theory of a god above all of us can't be dissapproved. What we can conclude however is that the old testament disagrees that the world is older than 10.000 years. So I don't think any christians/jews/moslems can agree that the earth is 4 billion year old and darwinism(since evolution takes lot of time) etc.
For those of you who know SFA about what your talking about, Latehorn, Mia, etc Scientists clearly state that SPACE/TIME itself was created during the big bang. So whatever cretead the Big bang. The dude I like to call MR G Existed outside time and at all points of possible time. As for predictring the future. Which future?
I have around 13 and use Various source references, from reading your reply re Jesus & the language he spoke I think we both use the same bible
Scientists are not a onesided unit. There's a lot theories behind the event. The yo-yo effect is one of them. But as I clearly stated, a reaction can not be created by itself. A forever existed universe is the only choice.
Well said latehorn. Sometimes you come out with some very good content. Your vision has further reach than some others (that I will not mention).
Yes, Like a heartbeat, expanding and contracting. Let me ask you sonething though. Nothing to do with the big bang. when you see a flock of birds flying, and they all change direction at the same time, of even a shoal of fish. how do they do that?
How old is this Earth ? I don’t know ( no one does for sure ) but as a Christian what I can say is that this planet may very well be 4 billion years old……. or more. How do I as a Christian reach such a conclusion? Again we must go back to the bible & reason on what it has to say in this matter ( after all my own personal thoughts are of no value ) First note what the opening words in the bible say:- Genesis 1:1, which says: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.†Notice it does not say in the beginning God created just the heavens, but also the Earth. So what was our earth like when first created ? Genesis 1: 2 gives us the answer:- “Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.†So very clearly we can see that this scripture is talking about a time before the six creative days as mentioned further on in Genesis, notice the above scripture said there was darkness upon the earth, that’s an important observation to make because “Light†did not come upon the earth until creative day One, & land was not created until day three. ( again notice the above scripture tells us that the earth was formless at the beginning ) So when the scriptures say “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth†this was before the 6 creative days as spoken about in Genesis, the earth was already in existence, so this leave matters indefinite as to time & the age of the Earth. The actual time of creation of the physical heavens and the physical earth may very well have been billions of years ago. So again the bible is not at odds with science on this point.
What started God? How was created? How could he have always "just been there".... it's the exact same question just about god instead of matter. The bible doesn't answer how god was created Actually you better go do some reading about the big bang, because it's clear you've done very little if any, there was no "tremendous amazingly powerful explosion".... no "explosion" at all...
Burden of proof is on you, but since the evidence contradicts the idea of a global flood, it isn't difficult to state that this so-called historical event is false. I absolutely agree that some parts of the Bible are based on true events. This doesn't prove anything about the rest of the text. The flood. There are a multitude of evidences against it, including the lack of water already mentioned (and ignored) repeatedly. I see that someone else has pointed out your strawman of the Big Bang, so I won't press that point.
So in other words you're not going to answer my question.... And that comment you made was just because it sounded like a good come back at the time?
Did you see the discovery channel special with regards to Noah's ark and the flood? It makes a lot of great points for and against the possibility of the flood (and the building of the ark). There is evidence of a massive flood in the middle east (according to geological evidence), but (which makes sense to me) there is simply not enough moisture in the atmosphere (or in ice form on earth) to cover the planet to the top of the himalayas. I think this is one of those that you have to take with a grain of salt, especially since many other cultures pass down a similar story independent of the Bible's. If I remember the discovery channel special too, the noah story was actually added after the fact and was not in the original scriptures. I'm not sure if I'm remembering this exactly or not, so I feel free to be corrected there.
(I didn't watch the special, so I wouldn't know about that.) It is entirely possible that this global flood mentioned in the Bible was in reference to a local flooding event. However, the Bible makes it pretty clear that this was supposed to be a worldwide flood, which supposedly covered the tops of the mountains. We then encounter two problems. 1. The Bible cannot be completely accurate. With a local flood, it is completely impossible to wipe out mankind in its entirety (save Noah and family, of course). It is also impossible, even with a local flood, to cover the tops of the mountains. These claims are therefore false. If God inspired the Bible, He could have (and presumably would have) worded the passages in such a way as to avoid confusion. He did not. I am therefore forced to conclude that the Bible is not divinely inspired. Of course, if this section was added to the Bible later, this point would not necessarily stand. 2. The Young Earth Creationist version of the fossil record would fall. While it doesn't stand anyway, Young Earth Creationism posits the flood as the basis of most of the fossil record. If the flood didn't happen globally, Young Earth Creationism cannot offer an explanation for the fossil record.
According to Hinduism ... as I read... It suggested that the universe undergoes an infinite number of deaths and rebirths... and the time scales cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of the Brahma, 8.64 billion years long, longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. http://www.hvk.org/articles/0802/214.html