When was the last time you posted something here that...

QUESTION A: When was the last time you posted something here that...

1) didn't bash America?
2) supported American troops, regardless of your view on the war?
3) defended freedom and democracy?
4) wasn't in attempts to try and demoralize troops or supporters of the war?
5) wasn't undermining America's purpose, existence, and mission?
and finally,
6) wasn't in blatant attack of another religion?


Now... answer me this too:

When was the last time you posted something here that...

1) had logical grounds for what you said, and wasn't a thought in ignorance?
2) wasn't Bible-bashing?
3) didn't personally attack or offend another active member?
and...
4) actually proved a point in formal debate rather than ignoring what needed to be recognized?




And don't lie... to yourself, *or* us. There ARE wrong answers here, and any member can check





My reason for posting these questions are to get you to think AND because I want to prove a point. I see junk topics like these FAR too much now:

"US offered military action to free 15 British soldiers"
"No Link between Iraq and Al Qaeda"
"Iranian Diplomat Alleges CIA Torture"
"GOOGLEBOMB: George W Bush, It's Failure Again, Says Google"
"Finally the pope stands up for 3rd world countries"

...and the list goes on. I'm wondering what this world and what your minds are coming to! Are people SUPPORTING Taliban and Al Qaeda regimes now just because they hate America and Bush SO MUCH?? Do you all NOT KNOW the lack of grounds for your logic? Why do you INSIST on making us look like the bad guys?

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...no responses and a 1-star rating.

I must be on to ya

UH-OH, libs! Your secret is out!

 

I looked at this thread just after you posted it but thought it was so crap that it didn't warrant a response.

Just because people do not agree with your own views does not mean that they support Al-CIAda or terrorist groups mate. Get a grip please.

 

I never said that. Did you read my little footnote? Why do people focus on the anti-American stuff? Why does the media always report how many American troops and families have died but not the good things they've accomplished? Why do you all try to tear down America? Does freedom and democracy deserve this??

 

Disagreeing with Bush's policy is anything but America bashing.

It is simply .........disagreeing with Bush's policies.

Others call it America bashing. Maybe the questions should be .....why is disagreeing with Bush's policies always described as America Bashing by supporters of Bush. Why do Bush's supporters label disagreements this way?

Why do they? What gives? Why is anyone who disagrees with Bush a terrorist/Al Queda supporter? Where does that come from?

An increasing number of people that were in the Bush administration, are Republicans, some who are noted neo-cons who were deeply involved in the policies that led to the war in Iraq have criticised and started to disagree with Bush. Are they terrorist supporters? If so...what were they when they were deeply involved in developing these policies.....undercover agents for Al Queda?


Last time I checked America was a place where you could debate policy. When did that change?

 

First, because Bush is the universal representative of America.
Second, this war isn't "Bush's Policy" - congress voted to go to war. It was NOT Bush's "imperial" choice.
And Third, because there's not ONLY Bush-bashing going on, but also anti-American and pro-Terrorist talk going on. I just don't get why people will raise terrorists (raise, as in support) just to bring down a country so much because they hate its leader SO much.

When did I say it did?

America is land of the free, home of the stupid. Free debate will take place, even though there's a stupid side and a reasonable side. What can I say more?

 

read a few more threads Earl. many people here will accept anything as long as its anti-american or, at leasts, creates some sort of moral equivolancy between terrorists and the US. Call it what you will.

 

Chilium, I find the premise of your original post confusing.

If more people hold a particular view more passionately than the opposing view then its fairly reasonable to see more threads about one side of the view.

It just so turned out that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake, why would anyone be posting obvious threads about 'supporting troops'?

You support the troops and the people those troops are killing by making sure the Government in charge of sending sons and daughters to kill other sons and daughters is held accountable for its actions.

Most of the threads that are criticising or bashing the current US foreign policy is more a view of the current US government, this is totally seperate from the US as a country.

The empowering strength of democracy is the ability of voters to openly criticise the current government without somebody attempting to curb or filter those views.

Its safe to say that at least 100 million Americans dislike Bush and resent the fact that he sent the troops into an unnecessary war.

Maybe you can support the troops by asking why the Government doesn't want to keep records of how many veterans commit suicide, or how many end up with an addiction, or living on the streets.

 

Great post.

Most of the lunatics here that keep going on about "Bashing America" is complete and utter nonsense.

It is the lying corrupt absolute crazy fools in the American administration that are the problem, not the American people, who are just unfortunate to have such lying, arrogant, corrupt, insane, warmongering people in charge of running their country.

 

Well AGS has never posted anything positive, i thought i'd answer as he has not yet.

When Bush has gone you will still be posting the same anti-american rubbish, i know it & you know it

 

I find it interesting that those that cannot answer the questions just seem to avoid them...AGS, you are doing a great job!

 

Everything that needed to be said was said in post #3 by me and in post #8 by mistermix mate.

chulium posted this thread to try and cause some kind of radical response. He failed miserably.

 

Doing what he does best. Praising terrorists and cursing anyone that tries to stop them. That and dreaming about smacking women around.

 

Gimme some time to get back from Easter break... geez.

Understood - but my premise here, if you are confused, is WHY they think that? Why do they hate America? They'll never admit it, but they do.

THIS is where people start tickin' me off. And now because I said that, I know you guys are going to try to make me mad here - but if you don't support the cause of the war, FINE. Geez. I can't convince you there, that's your own ignorant problem. But if you don't at least support the volunteer TROOPS that said "I'll give my LIFE to defend your freedom to say stupid things that you DO!" - THAT'S what makes me mad.

You HAVE TO SUPPORT THE TROOPS no matter the cause for the war. Not doing so is an insult to the country - to their lives.

War is a necessary evil, hippy boy. Defending ourselves is NOT a crime.

How can you say that the body that GOVERNS and MODERATES our country is "totally separate" from the country?? The United States government is the primary representative of its people which IS the country - and be thankful we can say that it is.

...you mean without somebody in the GOVERNMENT attempting to curb or filter those views. The nice thing about democracy is that while you can try to tear down the gov't, there will be those that try to stop you.

Then the American public is lost.

Why don't you?

 

U.S. troops in Iraq, volunteer or not don't do anything that affects your freedom, your freedom was never in eminent danger from Iraq to begin with.
Support the troops in the sense that you wish them well to come out of any battle or clash their superiors send them into that's the support they deserve.
I'm in!

Support in the sense they are doing the right thing there in Iraq?
I'm out!
The whole Iraq war was ill prepared and unnecessary.


Also your last statement is actually a pretty strong ignorant statement.
No matter the cause for the war?

If the cause is pure domination when for example the government you praise so much would be invading Canada just for the sake of conquering it your definition of support would mean to support the troops getting involved with such a mindless action!

You need to think about what you're saying here Chulium since this blind support for anything that is related to your government is not the wisest stance you can take as a individual.

 

You have a lot of gall saying that Edz! What would a troop-less United States be like?? Can you imagine what would happen? If so, do tell

What Iraq war?

It WAS a strong statement because obeying one higher in command than you is HONOR and LOYALTY even though it may be wrong in your eyes. Regardless of that *anyway*, these guys are giving their lives to defend us so you can say stupid things like how we don't need to support our troops!

Unfortunately I would still have to support our troops. It's the only ethical and warm-hearted and charitable thing that could be done in that situation.

I am not blindly supporting everything our government does, Edz! STOP putting words in my mouth - I disagree with our government on a fair many things, but regardless of that, troops deserve each citizen's support. PERIOD.

 

Why would anyone want to invade canada? I say lets take over mexico! At least it is warm there and the people want a better life. Plus we can then have a really good reason to make spanish a mandatory language for the U.S.M. (M for Mexico.)

 

The troops being in Iraq probably is something you may have missed?
I'm not talking about troops in the U.S. so don't steer it in a direction that was not being discussed alright?

Troops in Iraq...right

Nothing else is warranted to your response right here.

Your definition of HONOR and LOYALTY is foolish...
A rank higher in a military hierarchy does not mean that someone that upholds such a rank can order you to do the most immoral things you can imagine and obeying those orders would only make you a mindless individual.
If that is your definition of Honor and LOYALTY I'm so glad there are not many like you.

You're not? And i am not putting words in your mouth, your doing it yourself.

Nuff said...confirmation right here.

 

Don't know? Like i said just for the sake of conquering the country, used it as an example.
Could as well be Mexico

 

thats better than dreaming about little boys, or is it Gwhirled?