What's your SEO persuasion?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by HalfAgain, Feb 8, 2006.

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What's your SEO persuasion?

  1. I only use whitehat methods to optimize my site.

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  2. I use a mix of white and blackhat methods to optimize my site.

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    28.9%
  3. I predominantly use blackhat methods for optimization.

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  1. #1
    Been wondering what the split is :)
     
    HalfAgain, Feb 8, 2006 IP
  2. digital1

    digital1 Well-Known Member

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    #2
    I pretty much use any techniques that I can get away with... ;)
     
    digital1, Feb 8, 2006 IP
  3. HalfAgain

    HalfAgain Peon

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    #3
    haha, so you try and make money. good plan ;)
     
    HalfAgain, Feb 9, 2006 IP
  4. mdvaldosta

    mdvaldosta Peon

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    #4
    Only white hat stuff, but some of it may fall into a grey area. Nothing unethical though.
     
    mdvaldosta, Feb 9, 2006 IP
  5. dsm56

    dsm56 Active Member

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    #5
    This might be a silly question that no-one will answer...but what qualifies as black hat SEO?
     
    dsm56, Feb 9, 2006 IP
  6. Reg-DCP

    Reg-DCP Peon

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    #6
    Ask the guys at BMW <grin>
     
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  7. BadLuck

    BadLuck Peon

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    #7
    White - You don't cheat any one in any way (this can be boring sometime)
    Grey, Green and other colors - You try to cheat a little bit (or more) the SE alghoritms (this can be fun and challanging sometime)
    Black - You cheat and spam everyone, all the ways (this is never fun)

    I like to do funny things.. so you gimme the color.. :)
     
    BadLuck, Feb 10, 2006 IP
  8. Immorta

    Immorta Peon

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    #8
    White hat unless im asked to do otherwise
     
    Immorta, Feb 10, 2006 IP
  9. irka

    irka Well-Known Member

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    #9
    thats for me ;););)
     
    irka, Feb 10, 2006 IP
  10. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #10
    Within the SEO comunity, some optimization tactics are considered Black Hat SEO. These are tactics which are not considered to be good or fair by search engine operators, search engine optimizers, or web site visitors.

    There is no generally accepted definition for black hat SEO. What may be considered appropriate by one webmaster may not be considered appropriate by another webmaster. In addition to personal differences, guidelines for appropriate conduct vary across web site categories. What might be considered acceptable for a web site in the gambling industry may not be equally acceptable for a health care web site.

    Here are several guidelines for determining if a technique should be considered Black Hat SEO.

    Search Engine Operator Policies

    Many search engine operators, such as Google, MSN, and Yahoo, publish policies and guidelines which document what they feel are appropriate and inappropriate SEO techniques.

    One school of thought believes that if you stay within these guidelines, you are not practicing black hat SEO.

    One difficulty with this model is that the search engine operator guidelines tend to be extremely vague and non-technical. Another difficulty is that the guidelines differ between search engines. For example, Google prefers 301 redirects, while Yahoo prefers doorway pages which inform the user of the new URL.

    The Property Rights Approach

    The property rights approach to the question of black hat SEO believes that anything you do with your own property is acceptable, but that you should leave other peoples property alone.

    By this standard, most on-page SEO techniques are acceptable, but off-page SEO techniques like guestbook spamming should be considered black hat SEO.

    This is probably the most reasonable and fair guideline for determining acceptable SEO practices, but it does have some limitations. It does not, for example, address keyword spamming or cloaking.

    The Visitor Value Approach

    This school of thought believes that SEO techniques which do not add value to the visitors experience belong to the school of black hat SEO.
    This approach labels on-page techniques such as hidden text, micro-text, and ALT text spamming as black hat SEO.

    The visitor value approach has benefits not only in defining black hat SEO, but also in promoting general practices for good web site design. Black hat SEO practices which violate this guideline may result in a boost to your SERPs, but they will not lead to return visitors or natural incoming links.

    The Unnatural Rankings Approach

    This school of thought believes that anything which causes a web page to rank unnaturally highly for its keywords is black hat SEO.

    Unfortunately, there is no generally accepted definition for "unnaturally highly"!

    If followed to its logical conclusion, this school of though considers all SEO to be black hat SEO.

    Under this approach, even the use of proper heading tags (H1, H2, H3) can be considered black hat SEO.
     
    Will.Spencer, Feb 10, 2006 IP
  11. HalfAgain

    HalfAgain Peon

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    #11
    hmm looks like a pretty even mix all around
     
    HalfAgain, Feb 10, 2006 IP
  12. Instigator

    Instigator Peon

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    #12
    Good informative post Will!
     
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  13. Seiya

    Seiya Peon

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    #13
    White only, im a good guy :p
     
    Seiya, Feb 12, 2006 IP
  14. BadLuck

    BadLuck Peon

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    Who say you have to be bad to be a Blackhat ?! :)
     
    BadLuck, Feb 13, 2006 IP
  15. rmccarley

    rmccarley Peon

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    Pure WH on my sites and my client sites.

    I dable in grey/black with test sites. Learning how this stuff works gives you good insites into your WH projects.
     
    rmccarley, Feb 13, 2006 IP
  16. FeedBucket

    FeedBucket Well-Known Member

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    Green. I like to coexist and grow and develop with the, um, ecosystem of the internet and... yeah.

    Seriously, though, I'll do whatever works, within the boundaries of what I think is worthwhile. The stuff I build is intended for long term growth, so I place more weight on providing value for a visitor. Gaming the system has its place, but I imagine basing an entire effort on that would prove to be pretty tiresome since everything you know will be wrong in 6 months anyway.
     
    FeedBucket, Feb 13, 2006 IP
  17. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    People who claim hat colors in SEO remind me of those japanese soldiers, stranded on desert islands still fighting WWII 20 years after its been over.
     
    ferret77, Feb 13, 2006 IP
  18. alhoop

    alhoop Peon

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    #18
    Sorry guys... but what is whitehat and blackhat??
     
    alhoop, Feb 13, 2006 IP
  19. BILZ

    BILZ Peon

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    #19
    Do you read the thread before you post? Will just wrote in-depth about it.
     
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  20. HalfAgain

    HalfAgain Peon

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    #20
    that's hilarious, nice analogy :)
     
    HalfAgain, Feb 14, 2006 IP