What's Your Opinion on Our FIRST Woman/Black President?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by sixty6, Mar 24, 2007.

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Who would you vote for?

  1. I would support Hillary Clinton

    4 vote(s)
    12.9%
  2. I would support Barack Obama

    7 vote(s)
    22.6%
  3. I disagree with both of these options

    20 vote(s)
    64.5%
  1. #1
    I've been given a topic to write about and I've been doing some research on the net on how people would feel about America receiving it's first Black/Woman President:
    • Hillary Clinton
    • Barack Obama
    I would greatly appreciate your opinion on how you personally feel about either one (or both) and how you think others will feel about it. I'm not asking you to do the research for me, I want to just know how people feel...Voting in the poll above is just fine for me :D

    However, if you chose the third option and wouldn't vote for either of them, please post why!
     
    sixty6, Mar 24, 2007 IP
  2. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #2
    why not combine the two and have condi run? :D
     
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  3. britishguy

    britishguy Prominent Member

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    Unlikely in the shake out either of those two will be the winning ticket
    Because I feel some late nominees will bring a surprise candidate
    We sure need some other options
     
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  4. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #4
    I disagree with both Obama and Hillary, and let me explain why. First, I believe Hillary will end up becoming president, because the Illuminati has already made their decision. Call me a Conspiracy Nut if you will, but I believe Americans do not have a say so in who becomes presidents.

    At the same time, I think a Black man will eventually become Presidents, and Americans have been conditioned by tv shows like 24 (Which is not a bad thing). Having said that, let me explain why I voted for "neither one."

    First, Hillary has goals which are the same as Bush. If elected as President, she will attack Iran, and she supported the war in Iraq. I don't have a problem with a woman president (again shows on tv like Commander in Chief Gina Davis have conditioned the public).

    Hillary is a Globalist. She is for big government, and she will push for a welfare state. I don't know much about Obama. However, he said he believe 911 was an "accident" rather than the government conspiracy I believe it was, and I think his views on Iran are the same as Hillary.

    The man I want to vote for in 2008 in Ron Paul: http://www.house.gov/paul/. He is the underdog, but he cares about RESTORING THE CONSTITUTION and bringing true stability to the U.S. He will go after the Fed, and he will end the war in Iraq.

    I will still not vote for Barack Obama just because he is Black. I vote based on the views of the candidate, and I personally feel that Ron Paul is the man for the Job. Unfortunately, Ron Paul does not have the backing of the mass media, so he probably won't have a chance....but I will vote, and I hope he wins.
     
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  5. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #5
    You're just an AGS supporter....of course we have say in who becomes president....name one case where the voting didn't matter....if the illuminati did it, eventually (after how many presidents, 42?) there would be a wrong one...right?
     
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  6. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    The 2000 election incident in Florida comes to mind.......Gore had Bush beat, and I don't even support Gore, but it is the truth.

    I'm not saying that all the presidents have been hand picked since the U.S. was founded. But the last 25 presidents? I'm pretty certain of it.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    It is? Show me a recount where Gore won? :confused:
     
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  8. AGS

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    #8
    I doubt that the guy is an AGS supporter, he just knows how the higher echelons of politics work like I do.

    You people are presented with a list of people but it has already been chosen long before the outcome who will win. I have personally posted at least 4 posts about how the USA has been under the control of just 2 family's since the end of 1981 with the desperately corrupt Clinton and Bush family's.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    You've personally posted a lot of things. Doesn't mean any of them are true ;)
     
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  10. Stealer

    Stealer Peon

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    #10
    I don't think either will win. I don't want a woman and or black president.

    VOTES seem to say no one likes either canidates here :)


    I disagree with both of these options 4 100.00%
     
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  11. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    Well, I won't be able to show you a recount, but there was a lot of controversy surrounding it, and weren't there votes that were discounted? The 2000 election was complex, but something smells rotten about the whole thing.

    In any event, the general public will not be able to see past the Red Team(Republicans) and the Blue Team(Democrats) so more than likely, guys like Ron Paul will be discounted even though they are clearly the best candidates.

    Look at it this way lorien1973, the candidate with the most money behind them is the most likely to win, because they will got all the media exposure. That means the people with the most money (I believe the Illuminati) will put in who they want since they can back them with all the money.

    The public is given a choice that is basically controlled. Rather McCain, Jeb Bush, or John Edwards, Obama, or Hillary gets in, they will all push for the same agenda. The Republicans will push for more corporate power, and the Democrats will push for a welfare state.

    Ron Paul is the man who can make things happen. But he is complete ignored. He only got like 5 minutes on Fox New. Compare that to Obama or Hillary, and you can clearly see how this all plays out.

    Yeah, but in my case, its not because Hillary is a woman, or Obama is Black. I voted no because of their policies and their views. Whether or not Ron Paul is White is not the point. He stands for something, and he wants to become president so he can emphasize the importance of the Constitution, and get the U.S. out of the Middle East, and take out the Fed.

    If I know Hillary or Obama will do that, I will vote for them to. Stealer, I get the impression by your post that you don't want Hillary or Obama in the White house because of their gender and race rather than their actual policies. If I'm wrong, could you explain why you're against either of them winning?
     
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  12. lorien1973

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    Well you don't even believe there will be elections in the future, so your opinion doesn't count for much either ;)
     
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    #13
    There is still no denying that your country has been ruled by just 2 family's for the last 18 years, and 26 years if you include Reagan's 8 years when the VP pappy Bush was really in charge. ;)

    With 2 family's like that running your country for that long is it no surprise that the world is in the sorry state it's in today?
     
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  14. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    So your answer is, no Gore did not win. So your original assertion is false, correct? You back off it awfully quickly ;)

    Didnt work for Ross Perot in 92. He had, by far, the most money and did not win. It takes more than cash to win.

    I don't live in a fantasy land where the Illuminati or (my favorite and you know it) space aliens control our lives. You do. So continue to be happy with that.

    Many 2nd and 3rd teir candidates don't get coverage. It doesn't equate to a conspiracy against them. It simply means people don't support them. While I agree that the messiah's (obama) ratings are high because of overly favorable media coverage (liberal white guilt I guess). Hillary won't be president in 08. 46% of the country would never vote for her. You must have missed that poll. When your maximum vote get is 54%, you can't win. You won't get 95% of the remaining vote.
     
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    20 Years, now actually. Yes, elections work out like that. Doesn't equate to anything. Really. People voted for the presidents, past and present. You can blame the illuminati, all you like. We do have our eyes on you AGS ;)

    So you are blaming the US for every problem in the world? I thought it was the jews (well, israel, right?) and illuminati who caused all the problems?
     
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    I think it is passed time for the United States to have a woman president. Hillary has done great things as Senator and she is smart enough to run this country better than the man who is in the seat now.

    As for her support of the Iraq war, she supports the troops not the war and she has joined in the push to end the war. Women have been successful as leaders in many nations and I think it is time to give one a shot here.

    As far as O'Bama, black or white, I do not think he has enough experience or is mature enough to run the country as president.

    I don't think the Republicans even have a candidate worth discussing.
     
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    What has she done as senator that's great?
     
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    #18
    We use electronic voting machines, so the potential for cheating the election is possible. One thing that I can say with a certainty is that Bush did not beat Gore in 2000 with a landslide victory, and there was a lot of controversy surrounding it.

    You're right about Ross Perot, and maybe a lot of people don't like Hillary. But Ron Paul would have more supporters if he got the media exposure of Hillary or Obama. Also, just out of curiousity, who do you think will win?

    Please go to Ron Paul's website and look at his policies:http://www.house.gov/paul/

    This is the exact reason why I think Hillary will win. People are so sick and tired of the Republican Party(rightfully so thanks to Bush) that they will automatically vote in a Democrat without even looking at Ron Paul's credentials.

    The problem is, the Democrats aren't going to save the U.S. Hillary is a closet Republican. She is best friends with Rupert Murdoch. Her husband is also buddies with the Bushes. Can you guys see the whole thing is staged?

    Ron Paul is an independent who care about what matters, and that is the freedom and prosperity of the American people.
     
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    Florida (the state in question) had paper ballots in 2000. The ballots that even caused the controversy were designed and approved by democrats in that county - which is why the whole thing was funny :)

    Not sure. I know its way too soon for all the candidates. I have a few thoughts about the election. First, its too soon - I think Obama (at least) will die out and drop down quite a bit. Second, the front loaded primaries will cause one party (either R or D) to be stuck with a strong looking but long term weak candidate. Which ever party avoids that situation will win.

    I don't think Hillary stands a chance in the general election. Obama has the most liberal voting record in congress right now. If Obama weren't black, no one would care about a 2 year senator.

    I hope Fred Thompson jumps into the fray. Until he does, my best candidate is Duncan Hunter. I have problems with Guiliani - mainly on gun control and immigration.
     
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    However you spin it it all boils down to 2 family's in charge for 26 years. And when Hillary becomes the next President it will become 34 YEARS (2 terms.)

    Of all the skilled, smart and very talented people in the United States of America of which there are many it's just 2 family's (and pretty dumb family's at that) that will have been in charge of your massive 260 mil population (approx) country for one third of a century. :confused:

    You do the math. ;)

    People like Ron Paul would be leader in an ideal world because he's honest, a true rarity when it comes to politicians, and that is why he doesn't have a hope in hells chance of winning, which is a shame. :(

    It's the Illuminati mate, that's the bottom line.
     
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