I'm actually looking very seriously at the moment at a product with a gravity of 0.5, but it's not one I'd expect many potential affiliates to be interested inOk, now I am intrigued. What else do you take into account rather than just the gravity especially if it is so low? The landing page? Bonus's offered? Do you buy the product to see if it is any good? Price?Can you tell what their refund rate is? Plenty of refunds probably means it is a substandard product.
Yes, we 100+ gravity vendors have a special conspiracy.. and we do massive misinformation so that affiliates promote our products and money starts pouring in our greedy evil pockets. If you're not considering all products, you're leaving money on the table. Dismissing a product just because you're afraid of the competition is not a wise move. About your second point, there is a direct-correlation between how the products sells and the high-gravity. It's very simple, look at any high-gravity product that has maintained a high gravity for a significant period of time. The fact that the product has stayed there for a longer period of time, and maintained the high gravity, is a proof that a large number of affiliates are consistently making sales, thus inadvertently proving that the product is profitable. I'm taking about the non-IM niche products which have a natural genuine high gravity. The fact that hundreds of affiliates managed to get a sale for the product should mean something. The minimum of 100 gravity, or the 100/30 rule, is taught by Tim Godfrey (I think) in the Commission Blueprint series. The guy is a true super affiliates, he has several 5-6 figure per month PPC campaigns on clickbank products. And he knows his stuff very well. He recommends to choose a product with a gravity of over a 100, and a payout of over 30$ per sale, because the product is proven to perform, according to him. I'm not saying to have a minimum of gravity that you'd consider when choosing a prodcut, I think that you should consider all products, regardless of gravity. However, dismissing a product because it has a high gravity is a big big mistake. I think alexa has not had any real experience promoting the high gravity products, thus her opinion is understandable. Please try to promote several higher gravity products, and I'm sure you'll change your mind. My opinion is based on my experience as both an affiliate and a vendor, I have promoted both high and low gravity products as an affiliate, and I have both higher gravity and lower gravity products as a vendor. Nothing is based on theory, all my opinions are based on facts and real stats from my affiliate and vendor accounts.
I think 20 or better is a good number. Always check with CBengine.com or CBanalytics.com for stats, and to see how long ago a product was released and try to compare the: commission per sale with actual $ earned per sale to get a general idea of refund percentage. If you check a product on CBengine and the commission is IE: $45 and the $ earned per sale is only $37 then it probably has a high refund rate. I have a particular product with a Grav. of 24 and I make anywhere from $45 to $137 per day with only about 100 visitors per day to my site using video advertising. My presell page converts at about 1:30 ....except the last week of the month when people are broke and my sales usually drop. Unless you got a killer pre-sell page that you know will convert, and your using opt-in to capture a list, I would stay away from products with a Grav. over 200 unless you have some experience and money to spend on testing your ad's (I use PPC mainly) Then again...there's no real definate way to say whats good or bad with clickbank, sometimes you just gotta take a gamble, but make it an "educated gamble" Pick 4-6 products that seem good especially if you think you can write good landing pages for that nitch.
That's not the right way to look at it. Many of the Clickbank products have an upsell. Let's say the product is selling for 50$, and it has an upsell for 20$. The purchase of the 20$ upsell will decrease the earned per sale figures, so the lower-priced upsells decrease the earned per sale. That doesn't mean there is a high refund rate, it means that an upsell is lowering the earned-per-sale amount. That's why those refund calculators are useless and inaccurate. On the other end, you can have a product at 50$ and offer a 70$ upsell, if the upsell is effective, it will increase the Earned per sale, it can get to a point where the 'Earned Per Sale' amount is more than the commission.
I just said that I have, Ripped. Is it the best you can do, when you can't fault someone's logic and just want to continue to push your vendor-driven agenda on this forum's members, to call someone disagreeing with you a liar? I'm extremely disappointed. And surprised that you should imagine that people here won't see through that. I had hoped for a rather higher level of discussion than simply "She doesn't know what she's talking about because it's not true that she's promoted high gravity products." For the record, I have extensive experience with high gravity products, some good, some bad, but a lot more bad than good. Many high gravity products have a huge turnover of affiliates. It's self-perpetuating: most affiliates are mistakenly attracted by high gravity, so gravity produces affiliates just like affiliates product gravity. Even when the conversion-rate and sales numbers are depressingly low. Simple, irrefutable logic, however much your patronising and offensive allegations try to conceal it. Well, that's it from me for this thread: there's no point trying to share and discuss your experience when people with their own agenda just call you a liar. I leave you in the hands of Mr High-Gravity-Vendor Ripped.
Sorry about that, I thought you haven't promoted enough high gravity products, didn't mean to imply that you don't know what you're talking about, on the contrary you had some good points. Since you really did promote high gravity products, it means that we just had a different experience. For you lower gravity products worked out better, while for me higher gravity products worked out better (as an affiliate). I've had the chance to talk with several super affiliates, and they all agreed that they consider all kinds of products, regardless of gravity, but go mostly for higher gravity ones. Also, i depends on what's your definitions of a product that sells. Is it a small niche that doesn't get much traffic and you can get an easy sale or two per day, or is it a huge niche that gets plenty of traffic, has plenty of competition, and has the potential for 30 sales per day. When I'm talking about a product that sells, I'm talking about the latter. Your post sounds like there is some vendor conspiracy pushing people to promote high gravity products, and your opinions also make the vendors look like evil and greedy people, pushing their agenda and spreading "false" information that high gravity products should be promoted. That's isn't very nice isn't it? It's quite insulting actually. Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean that your opinion is correct. I don't think anyone is 100% correct (including me), this is a public forum ,and we share our views and thoughts. I'm not evil and I have put a lot of effort into helping people. I have had plenty of people who have e-mailed me asking for advice which is not related to promotion of any of my products and I gladly helped out. I'm not biased in my opinion, my high gravity product is already doing well, and I'm not trying to recruit affiliates with my opinion. If I was biased, I'd say to promote lower gravity, and push the lower gravity products, so that my lower gravity products perform better and gain more gravity and revenue. I'm gonna say again, I think people should consider all products, regardless of gravity. By not considering high gravity products, you're leaving HUGE money on the table.
I have a product with a low gravity (34) but I am actually on Ripped's side on this one. Higher gravity DOES mean that it converts and it DOES have a good likelihood to earn you money. Not directly, but if a product has a high gravity and maintains that gravity than it must be a pretty profitable site. I mean, obviously, in theory an amazing website could have a low gravity, but if it was truely an amazing site it would work its way up, because affiliates who started to promote it would have received sales and stay on board. I personally do not have a whole lot of experience, but I do think that is dumb to say things such as "vendors lie and say that gravity over 100 is more profitable." My product has a low gravity but has been steadily climbing, I know I have a good product, in a profitable niche, and I know I will continue to work my way up. Anyway, gravity is not a direct correlation, but it does show a lot. Thanks.
How can you say that a person doesn't have enough experience promoting high gravity products? I would advise you not to be over confident of yourself & don't think of all others as nooooobs... There is always opposition to someone offering the right opinion anywhere.. If there is no opposition, the opinion is probably incorrect.. I agree that higher gravity products have the potential to make 30+ sales a day, even 50+ But aren't you better promoting 7-8 products with lower competition & make 1-2 sales on each one? You may still disagree with this, there are chances you may have to agree but i won't participate in this thread in either case..
ALL products have the potential for 30+ or 50+ sales a day. Gravity just tells you that lots of affiliates have made a sale recently for a particular product, not how well it will convert. If lots of people have made a sale, it generally means two things: a) the market is quite wide (they can't all be promoting in the same place, can they?) and b) the product definitely converts (maybe very well, maybe very badly, but it will convert). The hard part then (as it is for any product with any gravity) is targeted your traffic and preselling the offer to maximise your conversions. Higher gravity doesn't mean easier sales - you still have to do the same amount of work.