What would you do, False claim in Adwords.

Discussion in 'Google AdWords' started by rliddle, Jan 22, 2007.

  1. #1
    One of my competitors has a claim for a very very low price for a service on their Adwords text. I actually pick up the phone and call to place an order. (Yes, I have ordered from all competitors, and continue to do so, and I recommend it highly. I have learned a lot.)

    Well, the lady on the phone, says that they do not offer that price any more. I explain that the price is on the internet, and I really would like to receive the offer advertised, and I have printed out a copy of it. She said, that it was from Adwords, and was a price they had last year, and it takes a looong time to change prices on the internet, and they cannot honor that price, but, they do have this price, which is comparable . . . . .

    Their adword text also has a couple of other false claims.

    Now, I imagine, they get a lot of clicks this way, and people end up purchasing their product anyway.

    What would you do in this situation?

    Thanks
     
    rliddle, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  2. 1EightT

    1EightT Guest

    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    71
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #2
    make your ad text show your product for a dollar less than theirs. ;)
     
    1EightT, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  3. CountryBoy

    CountryBoy Prominent Member

    Messages:
    8,970
    Likes Received:
    754
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #3
    There's not much you can do over a small $1 error. Until there is a binding agreement between the customer and retailer (eg. payment has been accepted) either party can change their mind.
     
    CountryBoy, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  4. Mr. Rosen

    Mr. Rosen Peon

    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #4
    Guerilla Tactics By Mr. Rosen

    1. Buy an ad and make sure you're placed below your lying competitor.
    2. The ad should read:

    The Ad above Claims $5.99
    They Lie. Press On Them.
    Then Come Back & Buy From Me!

    *Note that the words "The Ad above" may be replaced by the name of your competitor.

    3. Watch your CTR increase while your competitor gets a high CTR with a low conversion rate.
     
    Mr. Rosen, Jan 22, 2007 IP
    goscript likes this.
  5. goscript

    goscript Prominent Member

    Messages:
    2,753
    Likes Received:
    306
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    315
    #5
    I like the idea... actualy have anyone seen such an ad in google?
     
    goscript, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  6. CountryBoy

    CountryBoy Prominent Member

    Messages:
    8,970
    Likes Received:
    754
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #6
    I don't know if that is such a good idea. The old addage 'you reap what you sew' springs to mind!
     
    CountryBoy, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  7. rliddle

    rliddle Peon

    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #7
    It IS an interesting idea, is there anything in Google TOS saying you have to be honest, or your offer has to be valid, I could not find it.
     
    rliddle, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  8. Mr. Rosen

    Mr. Rosen Peon

    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #8
    The concept of Universal Justice springs to my mind. Don't forget, I assume that rliddle doesn't use false advertising techniques and therefore they wouldn't be able to expose him for lying.
     
    Mr. Rosen, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  9. GuyFromChicago

    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

    Messages:
    6,728
    Likes Received:
    529
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #9
    They'll yank the ad with the "press on them" text. They won't let you (at least for long) get away with using your ad to tell people to click on other ads.

    rliddle, i know a lot of sites/stores have the "we reserve the right to change any price at anytime" text in their legal mumbo-jumbo pages.

    Consumers are pretty savvy these days and a lot of people will comparison shop. Once they find out your competitor won't honor the price they'll continue shopping.

    Edit: You may also be able to get Google to yank the ad:

    "Support Advertised Prices, Discounts, and Free Offers

    If your ad includes a price, special discount, or 'free' offer, it must be clearly and accurately displayed on your website within 1-2 clicks of your ad's landing page.
    Example:
    If you mention that you are selling socks for 20% off in your ad text, your Destination URL should link to a page that clearly displays socks at the discounted price."

    That's from here:

    https://adwords.google.com/select/guidelines.html
     
    GuyFromChicago, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  10. goscript

    goscript Prominent Member

    Messages:
    2,753
    Likes Received:
    306
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    315
    #10
    Indeed .. if you would have on your ad saying "click this ad", i think they would aproove it, but saying "click the competitor ad", wont be aprooved.
     
    goscript, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  11. bornagaintrader

    bornagaintrader Peon

    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    8
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #11
    Call the rest....then call the best......

    If it's the kind of price that you can guarantee put a guarantee in your creative...only $xxxx guaranteed.

    Alternatively concentrate on any unique benefits your product/company has and remember that not all consumers are price sensitive where they feel they are getting a better deal.
     
    bornagaintrader, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  12. beejeebers

    beejeebers Peon

    Messages:
    142
    Likes Received:
    5
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #12
    I've done the tactic where I call them on their lie. It works very well. The one key is don't say "The ad above" or "The ad below" just claim their statement is bologna and tell the surfer you are honest.

    The only problem is I've had the competition click the crap out of ads to try to drain my budget. I put a stop to that real quick too with a phone call to adwords with my logs... :)
     
    beejeebers, Jan 22, 2007 IP
  13. enginez

    enginez Peon

    Messages:
    225
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #13
    They would be mad to be listing a false price on purpose, unless they have very convincing sales people. In my experience the most truthful ads convert better - telling lies just costs you more clicks and creates less sales.
     
    enginez, Jan 23, 2007 IP
  14. rliddle

    rliddle Peon

    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #14
    Enginez, I wonder about that also, but once you are talking to them, then you just may purchase. I do agree about being truthful. I wonder how many people, click, look around for that pricing and then go away.

    Got a PM reccomending a Cease and Desist letter, that also is an idea I had not thought about.
     
    rliddle, Jan 23, 2007 IP
  15. CountryBoy

    CountryBoy Prominent Member

    Messages:
    8,970
    Likes Received:
    754
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #15
    Agreed - that's not what I meant though. I meant if the competitor was to find out that you were trying to ramp up their advertising costs they might try and sabotage your own ads by employing a load of click-happy people.
     
    CountryBoy, Jan 23, 2007 IP
  16. rliddle

    rliddle Peon

    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #16
    Thanks to all, I did send an email to Google Adwords, with their violations of TOS outlined. Will see what happens with that. Their URL posted is not the same as the landing page either. Hopefully Google will enforce the rules.

    Thanks.
     
    rliddle, Jan 23, 2007 IP
  17. Mr. Rosen

    Mr. Rosen Peon

    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    3
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #17
    Please update us, I'm interested to know how google reacts.
     
    Mr. Rosen, Jan 24, 2007 IP
  18. rliddle

    rliddle Peon

    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #18
    Response from Google: At this time, the same violations are still showing.

    Hello R,

    Thank you for your feedback regarding the background of this advertiser.

    The information you have provided will assist us in our review of this advertiser's account.

    We value customer service and hope our advertisers will provide quality care to our users. Again, we thank you for your feedback, and will review this situation. We encourage you to continue to let us know if there is anything we can do to improve your Google experience.

    Sincerely,

    Dipanjan
    The Google AdWords Team
     
    rliddle, Jan 24, 2007 IP
  19. rliddle

    rliddle Peon

    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #19
    Second Response from Google. (I am surprised, but no change in Adwords yet)

    Hello R,

    Thank you for reporting an ad that possibly violates our policies. Please know that ads in our program are reviewed per our advertising guidelines.
    While we make every effort to ensure that ads which may violate our policies do not run prior to review, it's possible that some ads run on Google before our AdWords Specialists check them.

    We assure you that we are working diligently to apply the same criteria to all of our ads. We will investigate this matter and, if necessary, will take the appropriate action.

    Thank you for informing us of your concern, and we appreciate your understanding.

    If you have additional questions, please visit our Help Center at https://adwords.google.com/support to find answers to many frequently asked questions. Or, try our Learning Center at http://www.google.com/adwords/learningcenter/ for self-paced lessons that cover the scope of AdWords.

    We look forward to providing you with the most effective advertising available.

    Sincerely,

    Dipanjan
    The Google AdWords Team
     
    rliddle, Jan 25, 2007 IP
  20. winningratings

    winningratings Peon

    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #20
    The simple truth is that you do not have to honour the price you give in an advert. This is because in contract law, the customer is making the "offer" to purchase when they ring up, the seller can decide whether to "accept" the offer or not

    This might seem a bit strange but it is long standing legal precedent

    An advert is not an offer, but merely an "invitation to treat" - in laymans language, the advert is inviting you to make an offer to buy the product

    This is not the same as someone putting the wrong price on the product itself e.g. a packet of crisps in a shop with a price tag of 40c. In this case the crisps must be sold for 40c, due to trade descriptions legislation

    However as a matter of public service, advertisers should always be honest as to their prices. In your case if you are unhappy, you cannot force the advertiser to sell to you at the price advertised. You should decide if the product is worth it at the increased price, and if it isnt, then simply say thank you very much, and I will get back to you if I decide to purchase from you
     
    winningratings, Jan 25, 2007 IP