What Right Do Zionist Jews Have To Palestine?

What title-deeds do the Jews of today actually have to the land of 'Israel'? The idea that a people can possess some kind of ethnic ancestral right to a territory supposedly vacated by their forebears some millenia previously, implying a right in perpetuity, can have no legal basis.

 

1) A zionist jew is the same thing as a jew. Israel is a central part of judaism. Israel is part of almost all jewish prayers.

2) What right do the arabs have to claim it's their own country?
a) Before it was Israel it as a british colony
b) Before it was a british colony it was part of the ottomon empire
c) There is no such thing as Palestine.

3) If you want to get into the legal reason of why Israel is Israel it's because the UN and the british made it so. Israel belonged to the british empire.

4) If you want to into who had it first. The jews win that too.

5) A better question is that the arab countries are about the size of the US, and Israel is about the size of NJ. Why do the arabs care that Israel exists in a tiny sliver of land in that area, and consistently try to wipe out the country?

 

1) This is not what the Jews actually say google Jews not Zionists

2) Historical claim:
a- Arab Canaanites were the first occupants of the land
Legal claim:
b- The right of Palestinian Arabs to govern themselves, which is granted by modern world to all nations, and which is stronger than conquest claims.
c- beside being the first occupants of the land, Arabs had solid, uninterrupted existence for more than 1300 years there, while Jews existence was for about 70 years only and about 2000 years ago.

3) Neither the UN, nor the British gave the land to Jews, they do not own it to give it to them, the UN only recognized the Jewish Government of Israel, and demanded them to allow the return of all Palestinian refugees to their land and properties.

4) see 2 (a) winning by conquest does not give ownership of the land, but the land is considered under occupation then.

5) Or why US don't give them their smallest state? they have many other bigger states, Palestinians are Arabs, like Brazilians are Latin Americans, do you expect that if Jews stole Bolivia, Latin Americans would say then: "it is OK, let them have it, we have many other bigger countries?"

 

1) There isn't one jewish spokesman. There is no official jewish opinion.

2) The cannanites weren't muslim. That religion didn't exist yet. Therefore, the cannaites at that time has nothing to do with the current muslim world.

3) Israel was a british colony. The british did own it. Before that the ottomon empire. Therefore, the british had a right to give it.

The UN recognized Israel's policies.

4) Conquest doesn't count? Name one country that didn't create its boundaries via conquest please?

Also in this case the conquest occurred because five arab countries tried to wipe the country from the face of the earth. Those countries lost, they need to get over it.

5) Israel belongs to Israel. That arab countries lost more of their land occurred because of their naked aggresion to try and destroy a country. They took a risk by doing an evil act and they lost.

Now Israel needs it's land to protect itself from the same aggressors would try to destroy the country in a heartbeat if given a chance.

 

the only right that they have is 'might is right'

other than that, of-course they are in illegal occupation of land

 

1) What makes Israel's opinion official then when they say "God gave it to us"

2)

True, they were not Muslims, they were not Jews either, there was no Islam (as in today's sense of the word, but it always existed in the sense of believing of one and only God), or Christianity or even Judaism, Canaanites were Arabs, not a mix of Russians, Eastern European, and Khazars.

3) it was called "British Mandate of Palestine" not "British Mandate of Israel" nor "British Ownership of Palestine"

as been said, to recognize a Government and its policies, does not mean they gave them ownership over land, besides, Israel did not recognize 60+ UN resolutions, especially the one that demand them to allow the return of all refugees.

4) nope, conquest does not claim already claimed land, it makes it under occupation, check international law in this regard.

Arabs did not try to wipe a country off the map, there was no Israel before 1948, there were Palestinian and Jewish territories, it was Zionists who attacked territories allotted to Palestinians, and Arabs came to defend them, no Arab army attacked a territory allotted for Jews, while Zionists gangs attacked many territories allotted for Palestinians.

5) as Israelis themselves admit, it was Israel who started the aggression, not Arabs.

 

What Right Do Arabs Have To Israel?
What title-deeds do the "Palestinians" of today actually have to the land the glorious country of Israel? The idea that a people can possess some kind of ethnic ancestral right to a territory supposedly vacated by their forebears some century previously, implying a right in perpetuity, can have no legal basis.


So from your post as a zionist I learn, that according to you if we keep the palestinians scattered around the world for another 100 years, they will have no legal basis to claim their land back?
I'll keep that in mind.

 

You would have thought with so many muslims surrounding Israel that they could wipe out Israel due to the sheer numbers of those who hate them. I guess maybe they are scared still after the 6 day war?

 

I always find it interesting that some people seem to believe that Israel was bereft of Jews before it became Israel. They lived there, just like the Palestinians did.

 

This is a very valid question, specially to those zionist supporters who also claim to be atheists

really why all the hassle? their is no oil in palestine, why deal with all this arab-isreal conflicls and stuff for no reason?
what value does that shitty piece of land bring to you, why not just move to usa (since it is so in love with you)
even better, take a state from them and make a new isreal and live happily ever after ?

 

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Err which Israelis are that please? Link?

Could you please provide the copy of the deed that shows that Israel belongs to the arabs?

Jews have a much greater claim to the land than the arabs do.

 

Rabin is good enough?

Begin?

Dayan?

Ben-Gurion?

On the other hand, he felt that Jaffa which was mostly inhabited by Arabs then, should be defaced:

 

What does that have to do with the 1948 war?

 

War?
What war are you talking about?
It was "ethnical cleansing"!
The Arabs were sitting at their homes, singing songs of peace and brotherhood, dancing salsa, and doing some meditation when the evil jews came and drove them away from their homes

 

The Jewish population of Palestine (what is now Israel and the occupied territories, the West Bank and Gaza) at the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917 was a mere 7 percent of the 700,000 inhabitants. The rest were Muslim and Christian Arabs. At the time of the (US-dominated UN) partition vote in 1947 there were only 650,000 Jews in Palestine while there were 1.3 million indigenous Palestinian Arabs, either Christian or Muslim. Under the partition plan, 56% of Palestine was given for a Zionist state to people who constituted 33% of the population and owned about 6% of the land. These UN figures have never been in dispute.

But there is a further issue, which also (yet again!) demonstrates the fundamentally questionable foundations of Zionism.

Jews are actually not even the modern descendents of the Israel of the Biblical Old Testament:

According to both the early-20th-century popular historian H.G.Wells and the Hungarian-Jewish intellectual and author Arthur Koestler, amongst numerous others, the people known today as Jews are primarily the descendents of a Turkish tribe known as the Khazars. The Khazars have no historical connection to Palestine. They converted to Judaism between 620 and 740AD, and have no genetic connection to biblical Israel, and hence to the narratives of the Bible and the "Holy Land". Koestler actually devoted an entire book called The Thirteenth Tribe (1976) to the fact that the Jews of eastern European origin, who are known as the Ashkenazi Jews and who make up about 95% of the Jewish population of today, are of Khazar origin. In other words, virtually all of the Jews of the modern world have no Hebrew ancestry, and no ancient connection with Palestine.

Arthur Koestler was by no means the first to draw attention to this particular issue. He quotes from 20th-century works on the subject by, amongst others, Professors A.N.Poliak of Tel Aviv University, D.M. Dunlop of Columbia University in New York, and J.B. Bury of Cambridge University. The courageous Jewish anti-Zionist commentator Dr Alfred Lilienthal raised the issue 50 years ago and has continued to do so for decades. In fact, the famous H.G.Wells in the early 1920s in his popular Outline of History described the Jews as "a Turkish people" and stated that "[to the] Jewish Khazars ... are to be ascribed the great settlements of Jews in Poland and Russia" and "The main part of Jewry never was in Judea, and never came out of Judea".

Lord Moyne, the British secretary of state in Cairo, declared on June 9, 1942, in the House of Lords that the Jews were not the descendants of the ancient Hebrews and that they had no "legitimate claim" on the Holy Land. A proponent of curtailing immigration into Palestine, he was accused of being "an implacable enemy of Hebrew independence."

The British journalist Douglas Reed, former chief Central European correspondent of the Times, in 1950 wrote "The Eastern European Zionists are not Semites (though the Arabs are), have no semitic blood, and their remote forefathers never trod Palestinian earth."

Mr Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: "These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom. The Khazars were a non-semitic, Turko-Mongolian tribe."

To confuse the Jews of today with the Hebrews of the Bible is like believing that the Cherokee 'Indians' not only follow the Hindu religion but will eventually return in triumph to the valley of the sacred Ganges.

 

Oh no! this topic is getting boring now. It has become like the age old egg first chicken first riddle ... been talked about for years but no answer ....

 

Hey, Cool. I'm Turko-Mongol !

 

Well that's what forum are for.. to discuss, discuss and more discussion.. till it become disgusting

 

Turko-Mongol cool

 

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