What Republican candidate do you support for President in 2008?

Well since so many of you are Ron Paul supporters, you should make sure you make whatever donation you can afford before the September 30th end of the 3rd Quarter 2007 FEC Campaign Reporting period. In case you aren't familiar, campaigns must report their donations, contributions, and disbursements every 3 months and it plays a large role in determining the viability of a candidate staying in and winning the primary election. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate to make a donation, I just made my first donation today despite being very broke at the moment, because I want people to be amazed when his numbers come in within the next few weeks.

Also, make sure you find out if your state has a closed primary or an open primary, and switch political party if you need to. I just completed my paperwork to file as a Republican, and I will be registered as soon as I can get it into the Supervisor of Elections office. No more "no party affiliation" for me! About 7% of eligible voters vote in the primary, so let's make sure we raise that number this year.

 

Yeah, I also believe that Gtech, lorien and the others mean well, but they don't understand that the government is manipulating their sense of what it means to be patriotic.

I get the impression that these guys believe that being patriotic means not questioning anything the government does. You don't question wars because thats unpatriotic. You don't question 911 because that is insulting to the victim's family's and is also unpatriotic.

Actually, it is just the opposite. The founding fathers believed that you are unpatriotic when you don't question the government.

The Germans who chose to blindly follow Hitler are a great example of what happens when you don't question the government.

One more thing guys.........since Ron Paul has already got 9 votes, he won the DP poll, and if this plays out in the election, it will be Ron Paul versus Hillary, unless the Globalists decides to rig the election and cheat Paul(this is a very probable scenario). So basically, Ron Paul has won so far!

 

Great additions Tesla! To kind of add to what you were saying:

Totalitarianism and the Patriot Act
I think a lot of the problem people have with our claims that we need to protect civil rights is that they think we are under some immediate threat to them, or that by saying that, we are accusing Bush of attempting to form a dictatorship for himself. This is NOT what we are saying. Look, my senior year history class focused primarily on Southern American countries, their politics, and how most of them ended up under totalitarian rule. The formula is essentially the same everywhere, you just have to know what to look for.

The general theory behind it is that Bush and his administration are *probably* not bad people. Their intentions are probably decent when they seek to give our government more power to fight terrorism. The problem with such things is you never know how moral someone is going to be with that kind of power and information. Our Founding Fathers saw this issue when they wrote the Constitution and formed this country, and that is why you have the Bill of Rights and Articles in the Constitution meant to protect civil liberties.

The writers of the Constitution realized that immoral people, immoral leaders, in particular, could go beyond using tools like this for good intentions, and slowly start to use them for personal interests. You can see examples of this in many countries that fell into dictatorship, Nazi Germany under Hitler & Communist Russia under Stalin, as two examples. In the interests of appeasing the state, people slowly gave away their civil liberties to what was justified as being in the best interests of the country, but slowly leaders used them for their own ends. The end result was years of unchecked rule, and millions of dead, innocent civilians. Once you don't protect civil liberties, the government can silence political dissenters, choose to discriminate against certain religions, any number of BAD things.

What you'll most commonly find is people think by saying we want to protect civil liberties, that we think Bush is going to be a dictator. They also say "If I have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?" They instantly connect what's happening now as going to result in the end effect (dictatorship) in a short amount of time, but as history shows us, dictatorship almost always occurs with a slow but steady degradation of civil rights in the name of safety and patriotism. If you look at history, and see that it is not as simple as going from Point A to Point Z, but rather years of going to every point in between, you can see our concern with assuring we protect every single liberty granted by the Constitution, no matter what "current" perceived threat.


Israel and protecting our borders
I'd propose, that more than any other country, Israel probably is under the biggest threat to its well-being in the world, right? I mean, they are in a region literally surrounded by countries that do not want them to be there. They have survived as long as they have because they focus on protecting their borders. El Al is the safest airline in the world, they haven't had an attack or hijacking in something like 30 years. They are doing things right, or otherwise they wouldn't exist.


Our economy
Real simple point here. The only candidate that we should elect should be a goddamned expert in economics, and have a proven record of fiscal conservatism. We simply can't refute the state of our economy, our national debt, and we simply can't elect a candidate who doesn't know how to slow down spending dramatically.

 

Doesn't "being patriotic" mean that you should give red rep to anyone that doesn't drool over George W Bush mate?

EDIT: Kudos telsa for post #61, that pretty much explains the crazy gang, but rather than my regular posts just telling the loons they are plain crazy (which they clearly are) you lay it out in nice terms and take the time to explain exactly why.

This is quote of the week:

No doubt GTech will try and pick me up on this because I think 9/11 was an inside job but to someone like him that thinks it was coordinated by some dude in a cave with 19 hijackers who could barely fly Cessnas your quote is very good.

 

What is a Republican?


We have 2 main parties......Liberals (right of centre) & Labour (left of centre)........ Federal Elections soon.........will John "ultra conservative" Howard (Liberals) stay in for another term, or Kevin "I love strip clubs" Rudd (Labour) get in?

Pardon the diversion

 

Is that being rhetorical, or being from Australia do you simply not know what a Republican is?

 

Bin Laden won't live long enough to implement such a grandiose agenda. I'll never understand why people criticize Ron Paul for citing Bin Laden when it conflicts our policies, and then cite Bin Laden themselves when they want to justify our policies.

We do not need to invade Iraq or Iran to support our allies. To trade strongly with them, and to share intelligence between our governments. Bear in mind that if you add all of the Iraq and Afghanistan casualties to the 9/11 victims, and the 90s Al Queda casualties, Bin Laden has been unable in 15 years to kill more than 15,000 Americans. That's not to diminish the lives lost, but when you look at the scope of his operation, this is not a man capable of toppling governments (we do that) and this is not a man capable of violence against any of his enemies on a grand scale.

So the notion, that he will overthrow our allies, seems to me, quite ridiculous. And if you take out the Afgani/Iraqi sectarian casualties, you realize that Bin Laden's greatest threat is fear, and the ability to manipulate our government to spend us into debt, to spread our forces thin, and to undermine our civil liberties. And on that front, he's been fairly successful. And still alive.

He's a closet Liberal, what is commonly known as a Neo-Con. The only area he is conservative on, is taxes. But he's never displayed respect for the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and has absolutely no experience (or knowledge) of international trade, foreign policy, national security etc. Many of his platforms and past are based around socialistic ideals.

 

Great points Guerilla!

 

Well the Iranians aren’t happy with the government that they picked either. Some Iraqis are pleased but like everyone else they all have their own issues that need to be addressed.

Here are some Countries thankful for our involvement, Kosovo, Albania, Throw a dart at any eastern European country, South Korea and Afghanistan just to name a few.

Omar Torrijos plane exploded there is no proof that it was done by the CIA or that it wasn’t a mechanical failure.

Patrice Lumumba Was seeking aid from the Soviet Union.

Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán Had communist ties and for stability in the world had to be removed. Its easy to be a Monday morning quarterback but back then with Communism expanding globally America had to counter that expansion and anyone see favorable to communism had to go. Nothing different then what happened to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

As for the Nigerians its their leaders who are keeping all the oil wealth and are not sharing it with the rest of the people.

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As for Bin Laden, yes we armed him like we armed anyone in the world willing to fight against communism. This one just turned out to bite the hand that feed him.

 

If your doing something illegal the government has ever right to investigate if your break the law, posting a comment in a forum will not cause the government to get your info from your ISP. It would never pass a judge.

Anyone is able to purchase property in the United States.

Only if you’re a non US citizen. Which our constitution should not give the same rights to non Citizens as it does to US Citizens.. You know what US Soldiers did in WWII when they found a German fighting out of uniform? They shot him on the spot.

You should complain to your local leaders about that. Buying a gun where I leave is pretty easy for a law abiding citizen

The RFID Chip also insure that the right person enters the country. Also I don't believe they have put RFID Chips into passport but only that they were looking into that.

I take this two have to deal with some form of illegal drug.

Right because no one says what they want now a days.

 

The government has been tapping the phone of Mafia members for years but and no one has said a word. But when they target terrorist it’s a big deal. It was Clinton that signed the law that allowed for roving wiretaps because of advanced in technology.

Question smart guy. Because of the US Advanced fiber optics system foreign to foreign phones are often routed through the US. Does the US need a warrant to tap those conversations if it evolves no US Citizen but only those communications travel threw the US?

 

I don't know if you are aware of this, but the Patriot Act removed many of the instances when the authorities would have to get a warrant from a judge. They can wiretap without judicial oversight, enter and investigate without judicial oversight and IIRC, request your financial and communications records without oversight (AND WITHOUT INFORMING YOU THAT YOU ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION!)

And of course, the suspension of habeas corpus and various "gag order" provisions mean that you cannot contest what they do.

If you think I am making this up, do the research. It's for real.

 

Guerilla beat me to the punch, but yea, judges are not involved in a lot of the steps of the process right now. Never mind the fact that the Patriot Act that was intended to fight terrorism is being used to further governmental powers to investiage drug offenses and a number of other things, all on US Citizens, not on the lovely term "enemy combatants" the administration likes to use so often.

Just got my new Passport for when I went on vacation in July, implanted with RFID chip.

 

Nice poll.. My vote is in.. Why is Ron Paul on the list though? This is the "Republican" candidate list right? Has anyone created the Moonbat/Terrorist list? He belongs over there IMO...

 

I plan on voting for Romney. I'm starting to like Hucklebee more and more.

Good luck

 

Paul is on the list because he is a Republican with traditional conservative values. Because he places consistently in or near the top 3 in GOP straw polls, and because he has won just about every televised debate, he's one of the leading campaign fundraisers and he rarely if ever skips a debate like Rudy, Romney, Thompson and McCain.

I'd like to ask why Rudy is a Republican. He's anti gun, pro abortion and has the worst record for family values. He's also soft on immigration and small government. Looks like a typical Neo-Con, an obnoxious Liberal hiding in the ranks of the GOP.

 

Haha, if you wanted to pick ANY candidate, any person you support more than Ron Paul, to prove your point that Paul is not a conservative, Guiliani was the worst one to back that up.

 

RP is not a conservative. He is a libertarian. Conservatives are very much about protecting America. RP is far from that. RP is a libertarian hiding in the ranks of the GOP because he never would have been elected in Texas if he wasn't. Not exactly the shining light of honesty, is it?

 

So, again.. why is Ronny Paul on the list?

 

Did I stutter?

Paul is on the list because he is a Republican with traditional conservative values. Because he places consistently in or near the top 3 in GOP straw polls, and because he has won just about every televised debate, he's one of the leading campaign fundraisers and he rarely if ever skips a debate like Rudy, Romney, Thompson and McCain.