What religion has done the most killing in the world?

I have built a house out of wood.

I can start a fire with various methods.

The point is, If they knew how to build a plane 1400 years ago they could have built it. The materials aren't the hurdle, The hurdle is understanding the concept of aerofoil lift. If children can build a plane with materials available 1400 years ago why couldn't the people 1400 years ago do it if they understood the concept? The reason is because they DIDN'T understand the concept. The quran probably has some vague sentence about people one day flying, well no shit Sherlock, You don't need to be a prophet to make a prediction that obvious.

 

People who wanna kill doesn't need a religion. They will do it by the name of country, religion, money.. whatever they find suitable.

 

The first person and The first Muslim, to make a real attempt to fly was Cordoban `Abbas ibn Firnas in the 9th Century. He had numerous talents, being a poet, astrologer, musician and astronomer. His greatest fame was for constructing a flying machine, the first of its kind capable of carrying a human into the air. He flew successfully a number of times over desert regions, improving his designs before attempting his famous flight with a flying machine in Cordoba in 875 CE.

http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewBlogEntry&intMTEntryID=2735

 

You know his "attempt" resulted in him plummeting from a clock tower and breaking his back, right? What he tried inventing was a primitive parachute. Certainly not the type of thing one would "invent" if they had someone versed and qualified in the physics of aviation around.

You might as well have used an example of a muslim falling out of a tree to support your premise.

 

Beside parachute ,

In 875, at an age of 65 years, Ibn Firnas made the first attempt at controlled flight when he invented a hang glider with artificial wings as flight control surfaces, and launched himself from the Mount of the Bride (Jabal al-'arus) in the Rusafa Area, near Córdoba. He apparently managed to fly for quite some time, by some accounts as long as ten minutes.[dubious – discuss] This was the first attempt at controlled flight, as he was able to alter his altitude and change his direction in order to return to where he flew from. The flight was largely successful, and was widely observed by a crowd that he had invited. However, after successfully returning to his starting point, the landing was bad and he eventually crashed to the ground. He injured his back, and left critics saying he hadn't taken proper account of the way birds pull up into a stall, and land on their tails. He'd provided neither a tail, nor means for such a maneuver, and he later said that the landing could have been improved by providing a tail apparatus.[3][4]

Ibn Firnas died twelve years later in 887, at the age of 77 years old.

There is a Ibn Firnas Airport to the north of Baghdad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbas_Ibn_Firnas

 

(4) But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Quran 9:4

""The 3rd year of the treaty saw that breach. The tribe of Banu Bakr, who was allied with the Quraysh, attacked the tribe of Khuza'h, who had been the first tribe to ally themselves with the Muslims. The Quraysh brazenly supported the Banu Bakr, and the tribe of Khuza'h was defeated. The Quraysh were informed that the treaty signed at Hudaybiyah would be invalidated by this action unless they paid the conventional just recompense (Qisas) for those members of the Khuza'h tribe who were killed in the attack, and that they immediately cease supporting the Banu Bakr. The Quraysh ignored the demand for just recompense leaving the Muslims no other choice but retaliation to maintain the sanctity of the pledge. ""


Killing them all order is for battle field but the empahsis was on if they lay down their weapons and surrendor or stay in their homes "No harm should come to them". The battle did occur. Resulting in nearly bloodless Victory of Makkah. Total 15 people were killed, 2 Muslims and 13 non-muslims. Death toll is almost nothing considring there were more than 30,000 people in both sides. I'm quoting these numbers from Romanian Non-Muslim scholar and historian Costain (can't spell the last name, really hard).

Tell me STOX, you are here just for religon bashing or do you actually want to study them?

 

yeah he made an attempt at controlled flight. later today i am going to attempt space flight using a pogo stick.....

Good on him for trying, I can't knock him for that, Endeavours like his are what drives science forward. But the fact remains, What he constructed is not what someone would construct if they had someone around who understood the physics of aviation and aerofoil lift.

If the quran says that one day people will fly (and it probably does mention it) it would have been a regular prediction that anyone could have made. No different to someone 100 years ago looking at the moon and saying "we will go there one day". The fact that someone predicts something patently obvious is not a case of them seeing in to the future, having knowledge beyond their time or being ahead of science.

Maybe mohammad should have put his money where his mouth was and built this flying machine that he predicted.....

 

And what do you want to say about the splitting of the moon which was done by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and what about the discovery of NASA when they saw something written in arabic on earth which was actually ALLAH?

what will you say about that stOx?
furthermore, just read about history and you will that once Gabriel came down to the earth there was a community which was challenging Almighty Allah with their intelligency.
Gabriel came to the earth and asked a child which was about 12-13 years ago and Gabriel Asked that child: Who is Gabriel ?

The child drew a big round circle on the ground and told Gabriel to come inside the circle and Gabriel did, Then the child Replied: Either you are Gabriel or I am!.

With that statement, Gabriel was shocked and this message was conveyed to Almighty Allah whereas Allah handled them by himself alone.

stOx, you won't still believe me so basically you can search for: " Miracles Of Allah ".

 

Yeah, sure, he had to build a machine too , to make you call it a flying ( plane or whatever you call it )

 

Medical Miracles of the Quran

The sensation of skin pain​

It was commonly believed, for several centuries, that the body is all sensitive to pain. It was not clear then that there were specialized nerves in the body responsible for transporting all kinds of pain and other sensations, until recently when anatomy has discovered the role of specialized nerve endings in transporting all different kinds of pain.


The most significant nerve sensations in the human body are:

The sensation of touch: the corpuscles responsible for such sensation are called Meissners and Merkels corpuscles.

The sensation of pain: this is transported by the nerve endings in the skin.

The sensation of heat: this is the responsibility of Ruffini cylinders corpuscles

The nerve endings will be exposed if the dermis and epidermis layers are injured​

Taking skin burns as a distinct cause for the skin sensation of pain, burns can be divided into 3 types:

1- Burns of first degree (sun burns): these affect the epidermis causing swelling and moderate pain. The phenomena of redness, swelling and pain usually disappear within two to three days. (Figure 1).

2- Burns of second degree: epidermis and dermis are injured. In such a case, a detachment occurs between epidermis and dermis, causing the collection of secretions between these two layers (Figure 2). The injured person suffers from severe pain, and excessive increase of pain sensation, due to irritation of exposed nerve ending particularly after the outburst of blisters. The skin starts to heal within 14 days as a result of the process of renovation and inversion under the skin.

3- Burns of third degree: the whole skin thickness is burned and perhaps the injury may reach the muscles or the bone. The skin loses elasticity and becomes rough and dry. In this case, the injured person do not feel much pain, as nerve endings have been damaged almost completely due to burning (Figure 3).

The Quran states ; “Those who reject our signs, We shall cast into the fire; as often as their skins are roasted through. We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the punishment; for Allah is Exalted in power; Wise.” ( 4:56)


(إنَّ الذٌينّ كّفّرٍوا بٌآيّاتٌنّا سّوًفّ نصليهم نّارْا كٍلَّمّا نّضٌجّتً جلودهم بدلناهم جلوداَ غيرها ليذوقوا العّذّابّ إنَّ اللَّهّ كّانّ عّزٌيزْا حّكٌيمْا) (النساء56).

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Allah did not say “as often as their skins are burned”, as burning could be partial, but He rather said: “as often as their skins are roasted through”, i.e., totally burned with all nerves of sensation and pain. So, He the Almighty associated between the sensation of pain and the skin when roasted and burned totally, thus losing its structure and function. When sensation of pain is lost, a new fully composed and functional skin is replaced, where the nerve ending responsible for the painful sensation of heat and burn perform and function to make the unbeliever taste the punishment of being burned with fire over and over again.

 

Yes, I agree. stOx should be reading about the "Miracles of Allah".

 

stOx furthermore, Go to some famous Medical Science Doctors to whom you favor the most of, They have already proved that a Heartbeat says " Allah " in arabic.

Try googling, or read this:
" Scientist has proved that the sound which comes from heart beat is LUB DUB.
But now they analyze that it is RUB RUB... RUB is an Arabic
word which means who made each n everythin.... That is ALLAH............So
it means every heart beat says ALLAH ALLAH............. If u believe. "

And by the way, who can deny the Miracle Of Allah in a form of a Child Ear, where his Ear veins were clearly making: "Allah" in arabic.

For sure: " There is no God but Allah, And Muhammad(SAW) is his Messenger. "

 

I would have been more surprised if they didn't find something like that. Do you know how big the earth is? This is no different to the "face on mars". it's a pattern, A random pattern which is recognised by our pattern seeking brain.

What does surprise me is that your invisible friend didn't mention this "discovery" in his book. A date of discovery and some coordinates would have been nice.

Let me save you some time. Every example you can give, have given or ever will give is going to be nothing more than either a coincidence, Fabricated nonsense or a result of people looking for it.

As for the heart beat thing, Funniest shit i have ever read.

The skin thing, While based on the false premise that people commonly believed something while not actually offering any evidence for it, Is very worrying as you spent numerous posts telling us that your god isn't a vindictive son of a bitch only to post a passage describing how he is going to burn unbelievers and replace their skins so they can continue feeling the pain of torture for a longer period.

 

Yep, that is the price you will pay for not achknowledging the truth. "There is no compulsion in religion, because the truth is clear from error"

 

That's reasonable, is it? To burn someone alive and then replace their skin so you can burn them over and over again for disbelieving something?

What kind of twisted mind thinks up a punishment this sick? someone had to sit down and think up the idea of burning someone until their skin is gone and then replacing their skin to inflict this torture on them again.... And this "religion of peace" teaches this to children, right?

You have just undermined all of your efforts to paint islam as peaceful and your god as merciful. Well done, Monumental fail.

 

Islam is not just believing. It is feeding orphans, giving charity, being rightouss.

The truth is clear and there is a penalty if you do not take the clear path

 

But you still get burned alive, Have your skin replaced, And burned alive again for not believing it... right? And do you see that as a reasonable response to disbelieving "signs"?

 

Hitler will be burned 6 million times, for the amount of Jews he burned.

each punishment is equal to the weight of sin done, so if you done good all your life but didn't believe, the punishment will be much smaller

 

But you will still be burned alive, Then have your skin replaced and burned alive again for disbelieving signs? Do you think that is reasonable?

 

Yes because you have the choice to join Islam and be thankful to your own creator, if you don't then it is at your loss

How can hitler be brought to justice? By killing him? But that dosen't do justice to the 6 million Jews. Justice will be when he is burned 6 million times for each Jew he killed.

By the way, eventually everyone will enter Paradise after their punishment.

http://www.ahmadjibril.com/students/paradise.html