What religion has done the most killing in the world?

How is his logic flawed?

You said "If someone kills the queen in the name of kitkats, does that mean kitkats are responsible? No...it is the person"

Are you saying that people would choose an inanimate object to worship and believe in, dream up a "kitkat" god and kill someone FOR the inanimate object, which would lead to NO benefit to the killer what so ever?

These people kill other "non-believers" because they believe that there will be a better life after this one. They do it for family, friends and their whole community who BELIEVE that it's the right thing to do. Look at some of the Martyr stories, you see young 14 year old kids who strap C4 to themselves and blow themselves up under tanks. These kids don't do it for an inanimate object, they do it because:

- They feel a duty to their god, family, friends and community.
- They feel pressured to "do the right thing".
- They believe that there's an afterlife, and that committing these acts will ensure their place in "heaven" etc...

What benefit would killing someone, or for that matter, doing ANYTHING for an inanimate object achieve? Nothing, and most Psychologists would argue that there's no such thing as Altruism, and therefore NO ONE does anything for anyone or anything unless there is a benefit (study the theory of Altruism if you want to learn more about this).

I think on the face of it, your argument looks plausible, but we are HUMAN and we do things for different reasons. I would think it highly unlikely that we would do something JUST because we're people and JUST because we can do it. The ideas and the ideologies that these religious fanatics have ALL COMES FROM RELIGION, hence if the religion was wiped out, then so would the ideas...you could even contrast this to things like communism and fascism.

Please don't state that people don't kill people because of religion, because in the end, the root of the cause (until proven otherwise) is most likely religion and can be seen as true in MANY cases.

Jack.

 

People have always fought for money and resources....Check past history and even today like America is fighting for Oil.....Most of the religions are giving the order of peace to its followers...

 

Does this question mean the soldier's (the on fighting) religoun or the people that string the war along?

 

Lmfao, Ok go and find the quotes where our Lord Almighty says kill the non-believers, but listen, don't go out of context and make sure you quote the whole lines and if you're able to find anything that says kill non-believers without any valid statement, I quit ISLAM.

I know many of you guys just quote one line which states: KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS.

But why don't you guys quote the previous verses?
It is because, Allah explains the whole situation in the previous verses and if one read the Qur'an completely without going out of context, It's IMPOSSIBLE to convey him the message that Qur'an teaches us to kill others.

 

“If you have made a treaty with infidels who are honorable, do not break the treaty until after the holy months are past. Then fight them and kill them wherever you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and ambush them.” — Qur’an 9:4-5 . . . after all, honorable men deserve to be betrayed, ambushed, and murdered! (I say "men" because Muhammad refers to male believers as "you" and all others — including female believers — as "they." As you will see from the next quotation, Muhammad gave his true followers, "you," many rights over "them," and gave women zero rights over men.)

“Allah has purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs in return is the garden of Paradise: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth. . . .” — Qur’an 9:111

“Strike terror into the hearts of . . . your enemies.” — Qur’an 8:60 “And slay them wherever ye find them.” — Qur’an 2:191

“Men are in charge because Allah made men superior to women. Therefore righteous women are devoutly obedient to men. And if ye are afraid that a woman might be disobedient to you, first berate her, and then immure her, and then scourge [idrib] her.” — Qur’an 4:34 (The translation "scourge" is the choice of Pickthal and many other translators. This word could also be accurately translated "flog severely." The apologists who translate it "beat lightly" are not being faithful to Muhammad's words.)

“Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks.” — Qur’an 47:4

Even if these are "out of context", they convey the ideas that people should be killed if they do not believe in Islam. Also, if Islam is so peaceful then why were innocent Nigerian Christians slain and burnt because of a complete misconception that they had something to do with the Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Mohamed. There were hundreds of innocent people killed in countries other than Denmark for COMPLETELY unrelated matters to the pictures, because the Muslims somehow dreamt up a link between cartoons in Denmark and Nigerian Christians. Senseless violence, and don't pretend that it doesn't/didn't happen because Islam is probably the most violent religion on the face of the earth (with all of the beheadings etc...)

And just to show you the image that Islam represents to me and to the world I suggest you watch this short clip of an interview with a Jew turned Muslim: http://youtube.com/watch?v=IHRkMcVrt2w

P.S. It's obvious to me that no matter what I say will alter your opinion, you do not look at the argument objectively because you believe that the Qu'ran is correct and that I am incorrect or some sort of a Devil trying to persuade you away from Islam. If I thought Islam was "correct" I would obviously be just like you, however I have looked at the evidence and the arguments and objectively decided that no religion can be proven or pass scrutiny of the scientific method and therefore we cannot come to a result about whether or not it is TRUE. So whatever man, I've debated people like you for years, I don't expect me to have any sort of impact. Just shake what I said off and forget that it ever happened Delusion is just like being in the Matrix, take the red pill man

 

What is wrong with you? He said don't just post one ayat without the surrounding context, and you go and do exactly that. This verse is about a peace treaty that the Pagans had with the Muslims but the Pagans broke it

Same chapter as the one above, it is reffering to defending the name of Allah if people opress you for being a Muslim, which happened at the time of Muhammed and happens ALOT today.

I love it when people post this verse, because it proves they haven't read any of the Quran (to their loss) . If you even read the ONE line before it -

190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

So it is talking about fighting those who fight you.

No, you are not a Devil, just ignorant and uneducated. Now that i have taught you I hope you will be guided to the right path, you can ignore what I posted or accept that you were wrong and that there are bad apples in all religions.

Seek true knowledge even if you have to go to China

peace

 

Very well said sara, just what i was about to tell jack the dumb.

I told him not to go out of context and that's what he was doing.

 

even if the passage is talking about pagans who reneged on a deal is it reasonable to "kill them wherever you find them"?

The context doesn't negate how primitive and barbaric the instructions are. This is the point. it doesn't matter in what circumstances your god permits you to kill people, He still DOES permit you to kill people.

 

It is ok to kill people in defense of opression, if they are out to kill you.

 

Atheism has killed a lot of people, and continues to do so.

 

Poor muslims, always the victims

 

Tell me about it.

 

And almost all of the killing is done in last century, when they got the power. How many they will kill in this century? My guess is, they'll break all the killing records by all religions in the entire history of mankind. Wait! they've already broken that record.

 

stOx, if your dog attacks you, will you allow him to bite your BUTT, or you'll defend yourself?

 

Atheism hasn't killed any people, Not a single one. Atheists have killed some, But they didn't kill them because of atheism. this point is as fatuous as saying "trouser wearers have done the most killing" based on the amount of murderers who have worn trousers.

The point people constantly and dishonestly fail to acknowledge is that the atheists didn't kill anyone BECAUSE of atheism. Atheism doesn't have doctrinal values, It doesn't have divine justification for atrocities. There is nothing in atheism that could ever make someone kill someone else.

 

What i wouldn't do is kill all dogs "wherever i find them".

 

How is it you can't understand something so simple?

They had a treaty with a group of Pagans that were oppressing them

The Pagans broke it by starting to fight again

So it was saying to kill them whereever you found them, because since they broke a peace treaty, they are not trustworthy enough for another one,

It dosen't say slay all pagans, only the ones that were involved in the treaty

 

How about if stOx gives me $50,000 and sign a treaty that i won't steal his money and then, I'll vanish with his $50,000.

Ofcourse, He'll still think that I am a trustworthy guy and will also tell others to give their money to me.

 

What about it? What are you attempting to analogise?

 

Your statement Regarding the Qur'an: " Kill them wherever you find them ".