what % of anchor text in the backlinks will upset google ?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by pgu1020, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. #1
    Hey Guys.

    For a long time it has been lots of talk about "varying your link text" getting natural links with natural anchor texts. Well lets say that this have never been an issue for me until lately. There is som kind of filters and overoptimization filers that could be triggerd. Lets talk about them in google.

    * How many total backlinks is needed to trigger the filter (activating the filter on the domain)

    * When the filter is active, how many % of the same anchor text is needed to get the page/site Devalued by the filter?

    * Optimal % of backlinks with the nr1 keyword phrase in it.

    * Does the filter sense unique link compared to total links? (ie. sitewide links on to huge sites, compared to 700 links from uniqe domains)


    Do you have Suggestions about how to beat the filter with other ways than get new inlinks with different anchor text (synonyms, click here, domainname, etc.

    I am very eager to hear your experiences and knowledge about this topic.
     
    pgu1020, Sep 14, 2006 IP
  2. mad4

    mad4 Peon

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    #2
    Its impossible to give any numbers as these will depend on hundreds of other factors incuding trust, site age, niche etc.

    The only way to 'beat' the filter is to get loads of good quality natural links. In this case you don't really beat the filter at all because you have created a good site which deserves to be ranked.
     
    mad4, Sep 14, 2006 IP
  3. pgu1020

    pgu1020 Peon

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    i am aware of this, but i would like a gauge from someone. Lets say that the links are pr0-4 and of relatively poor quality exept some directories (dmoz, and some more).
     
    pgu1020, Sep 15, 2006 IP
  4. pgu1020

    pgu1020 Peon

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    Any thoughts on this subject?
     
    pgu1020, Sep 24, 2006 IP
  5. webuildpages

    webuildpages Internet Marketing Guy.

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    #5
    like mad4 said, you're asking for exact answers, which is impossible....but here's some ideas.
    I go under the assumption that google doesn't like sites that are trying to artifically inflate their backlinks, so they're on the look out for things that don't appear to be natural.

    Here's some items to think about:
    If a natural (non-seo'd site) has 1000 backlinks, I would expect there to be at least 100 unique (1 time used) backlink phrases.

    If a natural sites has 1000 backlinks, I'd expect at least 2/3 of those links to be deep links (if all link are to your homepage, it tells the engines that your content is empty).

    yea, vary your link text as much as possible, with only a slight emphesis on your main phrase....have lots of 1 time use backlink text....get lots of deep links with varying text based around a theme.
     
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    rosiee007 Notable Member

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    I'd suggest that you should study the backlinks of your competitors closely. Tools like SEO Elite let you see the number of links your competition has, the Anchor texts and keywords they are using in their links etc. There are some free tools also which give you similar information, but I dont exactly remember the URL. If you want, I can find the links for you.

    The number of links required, the type of link, and the link texts that should be used should all be considered if you want to see if any 'over-optimization' filters have been triggered.
     
    rosiee007, Sep 25, 2006 IP
  7. dkessaris

    dkessaris Peon

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    Disclaimer: This is from my own experience from a couple of sites that are doing good in the SERPS and I am in no way a SEO expert.

    Anchor text is way overated, if you manage to build good link popularity with varied anchor text the you just need a few keyworded anchor text links to rank well (always depending on the niche of course). Also what I have noticed for one of my sites and actually makes sense is that not keyworded at all links might be valuable. What I mean is links like www.example.com, the reason this might be happening is simply because they look 100% natural, noone buys a link like that and this is one of the reasons imho that keyword domains are really valuable.

    That's for Google, for Yahoo and MSN anchor text seems to play an important role.
     
    dkessaris, Sep 26, 2006 IP
  8. mad4

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    Quite right, nobody naturally links to a site with the anchor text "credit card offers". Call your website "Johns credit card offers" and you get people using the keywords in the anchor text naturally. ;)
     
    mad4, Sep 26, 2006 IP
  9. ScottFish

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    I think it depends on each little niche and each set of results for a keyword. If you search for "computer hard drive repair" - those results have a certain # of backlinks, they have a certain age, they have other similar factors. One of those factions could be % of keywords in BL anchor text. This % may be very different for "computer hard drive repair" as compared to the keyword "credit card".

    When you're looking at small factors like this, whether its % of text in anchor, # of backlinks required to rank in 10, % of keyword density, etc.... you really have to look to find the answer on a keyword-by-keyword basis.
     
    ScottFish, Sep 26, 2006 IP
  10. EricBlackwell

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    Agreed.

    i have optimised sites on several subjects and the optimum answer seems to vary by each keyword phrase's unique competitive position.

    Eric
     
    EricBlackwell, Sep 26, 2006 IP