What is this that makes no sense, has no logic to Muslims in the Christ's teaching?

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  1. Bushranger

    Bushranger Notable Member

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    #41
    You don't believe in the bible because "it has been changed so many times" yet here you are changing it yourself to suit your purposes.

    Do you do that with the Koran too? If so, then that blows your own argument out of the water. People like you twist verses to mean other things so that gets changed all the time too. Both are there as a guide only, remember Aesop? fables, all to teach you something.
     
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  2. TheMightOfLove

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    #42
    If Jesus was the "bad" man as this muslim with the nick name "Israel" suggests, then why Jesus healed that girl, plus many, many other sick people?
    He has lost his common sense. If you can't make a difference between good and bad, there is no use to talk to you at all. It will be total waste of time and energy.

    What is the benefit of a philosophy or religion if that philosophy or religion does not make you more honest and nobler person, and does not teach you to think right? No benefit, it is an ordinary one made up by an ordinary man, throw it away.
     
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  3. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #43
    He is supposed to be Jesus the man that teaches about love..it doesn't make sense for him to liken a needy woman to a dog because she is not a Jew..the woman is so needy that she accepts what Jesus tells her..in the end she outsmarted Jesus by saying that dogs eat left overs, so give me leftovers..based on that he healed her (gave her some leftovers).

    The reason I brought up this passage is because OP asked me to bring something negative, and I see this as negative.

    But thanks for trying to explain.
     
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  4. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #44
    the concept of the bread of the children being toss to the dogs is a fine point:

    here is the verse from the king james version:

    "But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."

    the verse from the holman christian standard bible is this:

    ""He answered, "It isn't right to take the children's bread and throw it to their dogs." (D)""

    source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15:22-28&version=AMP;KJV;HCSB;NIV;MSG

    a big word in between these two verses is "their"

    the holman christian standard bible's version of this verse can be interpreted as the gentiles being the dogs of the jews, based on the word "their".

    the king james version of this verse does not imply this because of the lack of the word "their". when you read the verses it is an extra way of saying the same point. you know when you say something and the person you are talking to does not understand it? you don't completely change your point but re-phrase it in another way for them to understand.

    these are the verses before the verse just mentioned:

    "24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

    "25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me."

    she didn't understand what jesus said initiallly so he re-phrased his answer.

    from the king james version this is the next verse as mentioned:

    "26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."

    i don't know what "meet" means but the act of casting it to dogs is not to say that the gentiles are dogs to the jews, but the say that he was meant for the children of israel and the act of him helping a gentile was not his main purpose at that moment.

    consider what bushranger posted, i quoted it in this post.

    from the king james version:

    "27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

    "28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

    she is acknowledging that jesus was sent for the jews, but jesus also acknowledged the gentiles, and said that they can understand what was meant for the jews. and the gentile, the woman, understood that. and jesus called it faith and that you can be helped however or whatever you are.
     
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    #45
    While Jesus is taking those who follow him to Heaven...Christian Bible, the only Commandment from the Creator is Remission, without sin to the Outerworld of the Everlasting, return to the Garden of Eden.

    The Everlasting is not without imperfection simply without sin.

    The life of the Spirit is what is Important, not being in Heaven with "God".
     
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  6. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #46
    ever watch the movie the "seventh sign" with demi moore? is their a limit to the "well of souls" according to the movie? spooky spooky!
     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #47
    Why, is being gay generally supposed to be funny?

    Is it possible to not exist, but exist only if you're gay and not funny?

    Julian, you are about the most ignorant person I have ever come across. If not for the fact that you amuse folks with your stupidity and lack of respect for normalcy, you'd probably have been locked up somewhere by now.
     
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  8. charline

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    #48
    because Christ didnt allow to marry more than one person :)
     
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  9. wmghori

    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    #49
    He never put the upper limit on how many wifes you can have. ;)
     
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