What is The initial origin of energy ?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Elberengy, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. #1
    According to the law of conservation of mass and energy : Energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can change from a form into another .
    Also Mass can be changed into energy like in fission and fusion reactions , where small mass produces a giant amout of energy . Energy can be theoritically changed into Mass and also it's maybe done in particle accelerators . So We have Mass and Energy Constants Forever .

    So From Where did the energy originate ?

    This is a question I need an answer to . It's not a debate :)
    Thank you :)
     
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    Bushranger Notable Member

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    Good question. I'm guessing sun, air, water & friction.

    If I attach a dynamo to my bike the friction will create/convert energy to my lights so I can see when I'm riding at night. Isn't that creating energy from my wheels ? ie: if I didn't go riding the light doesn't work.

    By riding my bike, am I creating new energy, via friction? Or, am I simply converting existing energy? In this case if I didn't ride the bike the energy wouldn't have been created.
     
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    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    you should look for a Physics forum. This is P&R
     
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    Expanding singularity - those words ring any bells ?
     
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  5. Elberengy

    Elberengy Member

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    Nope , This is a form on Conversion of energy from kinetic energy not creation of energy because it already existed in another form . In case of the dynamo it's based on Induced Current , When you rotate the coil , It cuts the magnetic field lines of the magnet , Producing induced electric current . But this current already existed in the form of electrons in the conductor , They are just moving due to presence of a rate of change in the magnetic field around it according to Faraday's law of induction .
     
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  6. Elberengy

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    Nope , I can't hear any bell ringing . I think it's because you are far away so I can't hear that :( , What do you mean ? :D
     
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    Life's Energy has always been and will always be - The Outerworld of the Everlasting is the origin of its existence.

    P&R Forum.
     
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    I do remember having a chat with a Jehovah's Witness around 20 years ago. He was an electrician and believed God was a mass of energy.
     
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    from sun I think
     
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  10. Elberengy

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    Sun doesn't create energy . Sun converts mass into energy in fission reactions so very small mass can be converted into a very large amount of energy as E = MC^2 .
     
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    1. Have you heard of big bang.

    2. The law is getting violated. It is possible to have matter from nothing from energy. Have you read angels and demons :).
     
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  12. Elberengy

    Elberengy Member

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    Yeah , Well the big bang doesn't answer this question because it's scientifically debated about what's the origin of energy of the big bang . Nobody knows where the energy for the big bang really came from , There are just theories and many of them contradict each other , can you tell which one is correct ?

    So according to what I read about the big bang : "Before there were materials (in other words atoms and molecules) , There were subatomic particles. And before there were subatomic particles, there was pure energy "

    What is the origin of this energy ?

    2- Energy isn't considered "Nothing" , Because it doesn't have a materialistic existence then that doesn't mean it's nothing , Because it has laws of conservations . Until now we can practically change energy into mass except in particle accelerators .

    Thanks .
     
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    #13
    Just wait a couple more posts and the OP will turn this into an 'Atheists can't even explain where energy came from BUT Islam does." That is actually why he posted it here in the P&R.

    Or he simply posted in the wrong section, right OP? :rolleyes:
     
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    maybe your dynamo doesn't create energy, but steals Dark? it could be a Dark-sucker, part of a government conspiracy to steal Dark from all of us, because Dark is very valuable and they collect as much of it as they can. when dark has been stolen, all you are left with is light, Dark-suckers vary in power. but you can test this theory at home. you know inside your fridge is dark, but as soon as you open the door, the Dark-sucker inside the fridge, quickly steals the dark before it escapes through the open door.

    you can test the Dark-suckers we have hanging from the ceiling of your room, just go to any draw, and pull it open, you'll see the Dark-sucker steals the dark from the draw very fast.

    The huge Dark-sucker in the sky (called the sun) has a vast capacity to collect dark, all the Governments on the planet had to agree that we rotate the earth every 24 hours, so all governments had a fair share of its Dark sucking capacity.

    Dark comes in 3 states, gas (what you know to be in your fridge and draws) solid, (known as coal to most of us) and liquid, (the world knows as oil) The liquid form is the most valuable and governments will go to war over it.

    The government also advises that Dark-suckers should be deactivated when you go to bed, as they believe it is unsafe for them to work unattended.

    Looking after your Dark-suckers! you can tell when most Dark-suckers are getting old and inefficient, they slowly get dull and are not as powerful (bright) as when they were new, it is always best to replace them before they burn out and release their dark.
     
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    These laws apply only to closed systems. There is nothing to suggest that the universe is a closed system and our planet certainly isn't a closed system.

    If you want to use the laws of thermodynamics to support any kind of god argument then your god would either need to be subject to the law that required it's invocation or in violation of it. So if your god is subject to the law, where did your god come from? And if it's in violation of it then the law can be violated, which makes your god, as an explanation, redundant as the law can be violated.
     
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    The laws of the univers do not change but the persuaion of the matter that is Created is limitless and defined over time.
     
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    Lol , It's you who is turning it into a religious debate , Can you mention where exactly I mentioned Islam in this topic ? This question is generally about the big bang and where did its initial energy came from . If you have no answer for the question above or nothing useful to mention , Then simply ignore the topic .
     
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    Well, OP, you've got a lot of replies above you, care to answer them? I'd be interested to see your reply from stOx's post. Again, that is why I asked you if you haven't posted this in the wrong section. This is Politics and Religion forum, is it not? :rolleyes:
     
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    I Replied to most of the posts and most of them had scientific errors , Yet I haven't replied to Stox's just inorder not to change the topic into a religious debate like you want me to .

    A simple reply to Stox will be belief , We believe that God created the Universe , And Created energy and everything . Laws of science apply only to our universe . God wasn't Created nor was he born . We accept the Big bang theory but I'm just asking From where did its energy initiate . The scientific answer will be : We don't know it scientifically yet . But ofcourse you can't say It's an exception and not subjected to laws same as God isn't subjected to scientific laws . That will be nonsense ;)

    The only answer You can say is : " We don't know it yet " .

    So now you are feeling relaxed ? :) , Big bang is also related to religion , but I wasn't writing the topic for this purpose of making a debate , I was just writing it to see if anybody got an answer :p
     
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    I will try to keep this as short as possible. There are many theories but none of them are accurate. In fact there is no theory in science which is 100% accurate. When new things are discovered many theories are dumped and many new theories come up. For example the phenomenon of resonance or hyperconjucation has not been seen or observed. The theories of resonance explain some effects and so we follow them. In the case of big bang there are different assumptions but 1 thing is clear that there was a extremely high amount of energy which converted itself into matter. Now you may think that the law of conservation of matter is violated. Yes it is.... Mass by defination is nothing but trapped energy. A mass carries mass multiplied by c- speed of light raised to power 2 amount of energy. The thing is that matter does not convert itself into PURE energy so easily or vice versa. Anway if 10,000 j of energy is converted in to mass, you would get mass in micrograms. So at the time of big bang that extremely powerful source of energy converted itself into matter. So now the million dollar question is where did the energy come from. Was it from god or was it energy that came from something like mass came from energy etc. Its very difficult to know that because there are hardly and proof now that tell us a situation BEFORE THE BIG BANG.
     
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