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what is the fastest and efficient way to get listing in DMOZ?

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by kroyal, Nov 19, 2012.

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    So many times I have tried to list my eCommerce site on DMOZ, but I have failed. So, is there any technique or fast way to get listing on DMOZ.
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    kroyal, Nov 19, 2012 IP
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  2. Philvault

    Philvault Active Member

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    I once submitted a site. Took at least 6 months before it was finally listed. I don't there's an easy way to get listed in DMOZ except to wait.
     
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    joeventura Well-Known Member

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    #3

    The fastest way for you to get an answer to that question is to read this forum.

    If you'd like to skip to the answer, I can help you,

    If you make your submission perfect, you send it to the exact correct category, and you do everything perfectly,

    You have about a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of getting a listing in 2 years.

    You should read this forum and find out why you really don't care about a listing on DMOZ more than any other 1980's directory.
     
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    Anonymously Notable Member

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    You did read those guidelines that you said you had read when you suggested the site, didn't you???
    You know the ones that say
    http://www.dmoz.org/docs/en/add.html

    If you had bothered to read almost any thread on here you would have also noticed that if you did break the guidelines, then your site will usually be dissadvantaged because the orriginal datestamp will be overwritten, so editors doing suggestions in order of when they were suggested, not all do, will see a re-suggested site as a newly suggested site and it may then just sit and sit, until you write over it again so the same thing starts over.

    That is if you have not now been banned forever as a spammer and there is nothing at all you can do if you have now caused that to happen, you did r ead those guidelines that you said you had read, didn't you???

    Oh and by the way if you had read anything on here you would know there is NO way to speed up a review and it can take from a few days to a few years for a review to take place and before you now ask, no we don't do site reviews to tell you if you are still waiting or if you have been banned.
     
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  5. joeventura

    joeventura Well-Known Member

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    You're banned I say, BANNED Bwahahhahahhaha

    You see this is not like those fad sites like google where you can resubmit or update or apply for reconsideration.

    You get one shot, if you screw it up well............read above. Oh and if someone owned the site before you and they applied and were banned, you are banned too. It's pretty fair huh?
     
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    Anonymously Notable Member

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    How old are you about 6? Sorry that insults 6 year olds.

    I remember you saying that you got a red from mods on here for posting not in English. Pity sites have to have rules for one reason or another. DMOZ CLEARLY says in its submission guidelines that one submission of one URL is all that is required. Sadly spam is a part of the internet and DMOZ gets more than its fair share. To curtail that and to help prevent people who do persistently submit, the rule exists and is enforced.

    Sites that are suggested to the wrong category, and a large percentage are, get moved if they are listable. Indeed discussions sometimes take place as to who should decide if a site is listable and therefore should an ify site be moved rather than deleted as unlistable. It is generally recommended that, unless the editor looking at the site is experienced in the category where the site will be moved, that it is moved and the receiving category and reviewing editor, who will be experienced in that category, left to make the decision.

    Yes that means, sadly, a delay, but the site being sent is now flagged up as sent by an editor and that some times will speed its passage .

    Glad that you want to advise people who want to ask questions on here, but please at least ensure that you know what you are talking about when you do. Many thanks.
     
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  7. Qryztufre

    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    So what you are saying is that it is in fact a queue and that they are reviewed in order by date? Interesting...

    See you must understand that MANY people get confused, editors come in here all the time & point to the ADD page, then say things that do not seem to fit within those guidelines.

    Another example of course would be suggesting to the wrong category. The add page says it will be rejected or removed, though you seem to think that editors will move it to the correct category. While what you say would certainly be the nice thing to do, that is not what the guidelines say, and the ODP has never really been known for being nice. If it was about nice, then, well, you would understand how some people would be impatient and resubmit their site after a time period that is abnormally wrong for a site that is claimed to not be dying.
     
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  8. kroyal

    kroyal Member

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    ok. that is fine. I agree with you and that huge detail:) . So, now tell me one thing "Master" as we know some of the webmaster and internet marketers try to list their sites in DMOZ, as we know DMOZ run by Google and how much this listing is benefiting our site, why I feel that DMOZ only benefiting google not benefiting us ?:)
     
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    kroyal Member

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    aha that is the main point, why most of people resubmit their site and think that this is wasting time.
     
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  10. Qryztufre

    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    #10

    Dmoz is NOT ran by google, in fact, google no longer really cares all that much for the ODP. While DMOZ used to hold a lot of sway with a LOT of search engines this is simply no longer the case.

    Google used to have a DMOZ Clone, it has been turned off.
    Google used to suggest webmasters submit to Dmoz, they no longer do.
    Google used to count links from directories, they still count them, but in some cases its a count against.
    AOL owns DMOZ, and they don't even use ODP data for their search...

    I MUST say that Google still does use ODP data, but mostly for the few pages without any other means to pull a description off from that happen to be in the directory. Note, this is a VERY VERY VERY small percentage of sites, as there are billions of pages out there, trillions of urls... but only a small handful of million in the directory, many of which are duplicate.

    DMOZ used to be the way to go, no two ways about it... the hype that they used to had, is now nothing but tripe...as substandard SEO specialists trying to build content still talk about the ODP as if it was top notch....but they are just rewording blog posts from 10 years ago so they can build content.

    DMOZ is no longer all that, heck DMOZ isn't even a bag of chips these days in the SEO world.
     
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  11. kroyal

    kroyal Member

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    Thanks for the correction and for the info which I didn't know about:) feels like that you know a lots about internet and SE?? what you do actually ;)
     
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    nairobicompanions Greenhorn

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    These days i don't bother with dmoz listing when i'm marketing a website because it is so hard to get i think most of the time it will just come naturally if you make your site an authority at a specific theme or subject. Also don't waste your time paying for dmoz listing on most of these website submission services you will only be disappointed.
     
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    I am saying what I said that some editors check to see which is an old suggestion in the pool and review it, others look for the ones that looked as though they had tried to comply with guide lines and tried to write a title and description that complied with guidelines, some check to see if the site has been suggested to more than one category and some just don't check the suggestions at all. So no it is not a queue as some editors do not edit by the date stamp but others do. So its a pool and editors chose how they use that pool.

    Say what you like, Q, I bow to your superior knowledge of DMOZ, your 10 minutes editing experience and 6 edits against my 10 years and 30,000 edits clearly means that you know better how DMOZ works about sites suggested to the wrong category. But after editing for 10 years I can tell any one who suggests a site that it is seen as abusive editing to delete a site that is perfectly listable but suggested to the wrong category, indeed one of the bugs in the DMOZ system has left that as tip of the day on every editor dashboard for the past several months! But you would, as always, know everything and be giving good advice. If you want to know what happens to sites suggested to the wrong category, believe whom you think most likely to know!!
     
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  14. Qryztufre

    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    I try my best to believe the rules themselves....

    Step Three

    Identify the single best category for your site. The Open Directory has an enormous array of subjects to choose from. You should submit a site to the single most relevant category. Sites submitted to inappropriate or unrelated categories may be rejected or removed.

    Note: Some categories do not have "suggest URL" or "update URL" links. These categories don't accept submissions, so you should find a more specific category for your site.


    So yeah, feel free to call me out on only being there for a short time while the system was broken and leaving for personal reasons to make it look like I do not know what I am talking about... but it does not take any edits to understand the rules as they are written.

    If following the guidelines that the submitter is required to follow is abusive editing, then yes, the ODP does have serious SERIOUS flaws in it.

    I am not making this up, I am not twisting words, I am not misleading... it's right there in black and white. So say what you will, every single person that reads those rules will clearly see and understand there is a MASSIVELY HUGE difference between "reject or remove" and "move to a more suitable category" and gods forbid any editor ever EVER get ousted for following the rules, because if that is NOT how they are supposed to be, then why oh why is it worded in such a way?

    So yes, let the people decide who is right here... and I am willing to bet with the loooooooooooooooooooooooong wait time, people will be siding with me as they likely submitted to a slightly different category and their site got removed rather then it just sitting in some QUEUE waiting approval. :p

    [EDIT: It is interesting that you seemingly do feel that following the guidelines is abusive editing. Says a lot about the editing community]
     
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    joeventura Well-Known Member

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    You know at least I have a sense of humor about how serious you take your MS DOS 2.0 directory website.

    Talking about banning people because they have the nerve to resubmit to your directory that measures time in years and moves glacially.

    DMOZ/ODP is about as relevant to the Internet now as the Model T is to Hybrid cars.

    Traffic to DMOZ/ODP consists of nothing other than webmasters checking to see if their sites have been listing.

    Prove me wrong.
     
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    Problem for you and your kind is that you seem not to understand that DMOZ has no interest in its relevance to site owners.

    DMOZ is for hobbyists to indulge their hobby of collating and categorising data for use by people who want to use that sort of material for searching the internet. I suspect that a good deal of traffic will be generated by folk like you who want to see if DMOZ behaves like a limited company.

    Yes I have a sense of humour but not one that appreciates what is not humour but simply childish behaviour and seeks to make silly statements like the one above you have made . I just say again that DMOZ must have done something that you still hurt from because of the time you spend and the vitriol you show in your system on what is a hobbyist directory. Very sad that your hobby is to seek by any means to denigrate what is a directory, built by volunteers for use by end users, if they wish to do so. Such a sad person.
     
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    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    Its NOT built for the end user though is it... it's there for the editing community.

    No where in it's social contract does it say it's there for the end user.

    Its there for the sole purpose of being replicated on other sites for the benefit of those sites that clone it and the editing community.

    http://www.dmoz.org/socialcontract.html

    Even it's about page is all about those that clone the data and those that edit.

    The end user IS the editing community and those that link to it.

    Again, you can call BS on what I say, but again, it's a he said/she said when what is the reality is right there in black and white.
     
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    Mine is not a hobby, mine is a mission to shine the light on this farce until someone decides to put it out of it's misery.

    You are part of what once was a noble effort and made it a hot streaming turd.

    Netscape would have never purchased this thing if they thought they were buying something for folks like you to be exclusionary to the people who made you relevant to start with.
    They would have never bought it so you and your chums had a place to "have your hobby" they bought it as a commercial entity, as a means to an end and you and your editor friends destroyed it.

    You destroyed it by taking payoffs, by favortism, by being exclusionary, you sent it spiraling into a tail spin until you pissed off enough editors to where the math stopped working,
    you have a gazillion more submissions than you have editors and there is no chance of ever being relevant again.

    You are secretive, you change your policies and positions when it suits you and now you have the nerve to say that the site was created for the editors?
    Well do us all a favor and remove the search function from the site and make it accessible to just the editors when they log in.

    When you become an editor, is there a package of Koolaid you have to drink, because you guys really don't know the history of your site, you have no idea why it was created and you are clueless overall.

    The Open Directory project was created to be a better alternative to Yahoo, it was meant to be open and free. It is no longer Open in any way shape or form. It is a closed Ecosphere where the editors breath a different air than the rest of the world and they are basically a bunch of spoiled children riding on the long since dispersed wave of the greatness that the site once was and mumbling to themselves "I don't care if no one likes me anymore, its my ball and I will play with it by myself"

    The website is the EDP The Editor Directory Project. It's certainly not OPEN there has not be a bit of news, metric, or anything out of this site. No blog entries since 2011, nothing!!

    Yet you continue to defend it continue to try and change history, continue to make people believe it has an iota of value. When the truth is you have little to no editors left, you are not a directory because you direct no one.

    So my mission is to either get the truth out there or make you all go away, either way is fine with me.
     
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    Qryztufre Prominent Member

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    Quoted for truth.

    Well said joe, likely one of your best posts yet. (Did you write it yourself? lol)
     
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    joeski_doeski Peon

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    Has anyone observed any referral traffic coming from DMOZ. I have submitted an university in the early 2000 and found almost no referral traffic from them.
     
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